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05-19-2010, 04:55 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Trinitarians believe that the Son is not the everlasting Father, nor is He the Holy Ghost. They believe that The Son, the Father, and the Holy Ghost are vessels, and one substance being GOD is poured into each vessel. While the Son is GOD, and the Father is GOD, and the Holy Ghost is GOD, they are still separate. They believe The Son is not the Father, and the Father is not the Son, The Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Son, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father and visa versa. All this teaches another Christ, and something totally different from what the Jews originally believed as far as the Torah goes.
A Trinitarian view is considered idolatry to the Rabbinical Jews.
In Jesus name
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Your belief that Jesus is the Messiah is considered idolatry blasphemy to Rabbinical Jews.
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05-19-2010, 04:57 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Trinitarians are not our Brothers & Sisters.
The biggest thing sending people to hell today is lying false doctrine. And the blind are leading all the blind straight to the ditch.
All liars.....
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Trinitarians are not your brothers and sisters. I do consider them to be mine.
Unless you have Scripture that says that they will be in hell, I don't understand how you're making this claim.
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05-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
even the ones who translated the King James authorized version so many oneness folks sware by, are all in or headed for the firy pits of hell! 
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05-19-2010, 05:00 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Trinitarians are not your brothers and sisters. I do consider them to be mine.
Unless you have Scripture that says that they will be in hell, I don't understand how you're making this claim.
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Unless you believe that I AM HE you shall die in your sins...
Thats a pretty good one to start with ^
Unless the preach what the Apostles preach, which is: baptize in Jesus Name, & preach acts 2:38 as salvation & know the true deity of God, they are going to hell.
thats Biblical.
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05-19-2010, 05:01 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
my UPC pastor used to preach against trinnies now and then, but after spending all afternoon with a few AOG preachers praying in the Spirit in a room, he came back referring to them as brother. Surprised me.
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If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend. Therein is a drop of honey that catches his heart...
Abraham Lincoln
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. - Eph. 4:29
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05-19-2010, 05:02 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Originally Posted by UltraCon
Unless you believe that I AM HE you shall die in your sins...
Thats a pretty good one to start with ^
Unless the preach what the Apostles preach, which is: baptize in Jesus Name, & preach acts 2:38 as salvation & know the true deity of God, they are going to hell.
thats Biblical.
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I'm just thankful that you won't be up front making the decisions on Judgment Day. Something tells me that a lot of people would be in trouble.  I don't see why you ask a question like this when you already have such a strong opinion on it, anyway. Anyways, I'm out.
Blessings in Christ, brother/sister.
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05-19-2010, 05:02 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Originally Posted by UltraCon
Unless you believe that I AM HE you shall die in your sins...
Thats a pretty good one to start with ^
Unless the preach what the Apostles preach, which is: baptize in Jesus Name, & preach acts 2:38 as salvation & know the true deity of God, they are going to hell.
thats Biblical.
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Trinitarians do preach Acts 2:38. They do believe that Jesus is "HE." When I ask, most will say that they are baptizing in Jesus' name. So what's the problem?
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05-19-2010, 05:03 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Unless you believe that I AM HE you shall die in your sins...
Thats a pretty good one to start with ^
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I especially like this one. After all, who doesn't believe that Jesus is "HE?"
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05-19-2010, 05:06 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Originally Posted by UltraCon
Unless you believe that I AM HE you shall die in your sins...
Thats a pretty good one to start with ^
Unless the preach what the Apostles preach, which is: baptize in Jesus Name, & preach acts 2:38 as salvation & know the true deity of God, they are going to hell.
thats Biblical.
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I AM HE.
Love this one.
Simply meaning, Except you believe that I am God you will die in your sins.
Before we get into your "apostolic teaching" rant, let's stick to godhead.
It's impossible to say one is saved or unsaved based on their views of the godhead, if they insist that Jesus is the Son of God. That's all we have scripture for ( Romans 10). It's the minimum confession.
Otherwise, I'm curious how we evaluate salvation. Should people pass a theology test to prove what they know? And by whose standard? Oneness views have as many varieties as Trinny views. If you believe Jesus was both fully man and fully God, and that He is who He said He was, then there is no impediment to being saved. The rest is growing, learning and wrestling.
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05-19-2010, 05:11 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?
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Originally Posted by soldoutochrist
I know the answer that you're wanting, but I believe that Trinitarians are saved.
I don't see why as Christians, we spend so much time putting our brothers and sisters in Christ down. There are so many who haven't even met Jesus Christ and are hellbound, yet we focus on whether or not Trinitarians, who by definition believe in one God just like you, will be in heaven or not.
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Excuse me, but have you ever heard of James White, and Cal Beisner?
The late Dr D James Kennedy? These indivviduals teach and have written books that One God Jesus name believers aren't saved. While your run of the mill church goer really doeesn't care about the Trinity, their pastors do.
Brother N Urshan wouldn't call Trinitarian Walter Martin a Brother in Christ, because Walter Martin believed and taught that One God Jesus Name Apostolics were heretics. This isn't personal, it is doctrinal, and therefore those seeking to convert to Christianity are trying to figure out who is following what is written in the Bible. American churchanity has become so politically correct that no one believes that anyone is going to hell. Unless, we don't like them, or they tell us we are going to hell, then they're fair game.
Yet, if they are Trinitarians, Baptists, Church of Chirst, or whatever other denomination they might get to heaven, by default.
American Churchanity gets looser, and looser as the years roll on.
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