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Old 05-19-2010, 09:32 AM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

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I apologize if I started this thread in the wrong area. Or if I shouldn't have started it at all. I won't be offended if it needs to be moved or deleted.

I'm not trying to say every UPC church is wrong, or that every UPC minister is wrong. Sorry if I came across that way. My husband is a minister...and he is a good man, with a sincere love for God. He really doesn't know what to think right now since I told him how I have been feeling. I think he feels crushed that I feel this way, but at the same time he doesn't know how to explain the "holiness standards" that are enforced in UPC churches.

Right now, I am leaning towards just "toughing" it out at my current church..but I don't know how long I can do that for. And I feel like a bit of a hypocrite because I don't agree with what is taught.

I love the Lord and I'm so thankful for His mercy in my life.
My wife and I are currently going through something very similar. All I can say is be prayed up and keep your Godly Character. People WILL try to tear you down and make you feel as though you should be repenting for even questioning such a thing, dont let it get to you. Keep your eyes on God and let Him lead you.

This forum is a good place to get some advice but beware there will be those who try to nitpick everything your write...We obviously know you didnt mean every UPC preacher is like yours, MOST of us understand you are just giving your experience so we can better understand where you are coming from...

Just take some people with a grain of salt. If you are like me you just need somewhere to get it all out..this is a good place for that.
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:18 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

It helps to know that others out there know what it's like. I don't know what the future holds for me and my husband. I NEVER thought I would be at this point....ever. Thank you to everyone that has responded, you don't know how much I appreciate it.

I have to admit...I am afraid of what the future holds.
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:32 PM
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It helps to know that others out there know what it's like. I don't know what the future holds for me and my husband. I NEVER thought I would be at this point....ever. Thank you to everyone that has responded, you don't know how much I appreciate it.

I have to admit...I am afraid of what the future holds.
Ask yourself if God wants you to be afraid. If He doesn't, ask yourself where that fear comes from. Just sayin'.
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Old 05-19-2010, 03:31 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

The fear comes from years of believing and living things I've been told, and finally reaching the conclusion that the Bible doesn't support it, and not knowing what to do next. It comes from knowing how people that I've trusted over the years and looked up to are going to respond to me. It's also a natural fear of the unknown.

I know God doesn't want me to be afraid...unfortunately, I've seen many people leave "the church" over the years, and I know how mean and ugly some Christians can be.
I guess that is what scares me...I've always been a peacemaker, so doing anything that would cause any type of strife is totally against my nature. I am praying for direction from the Lord, because I need to know the best way to move forward.
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:30 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

I still attend a upc church.

My wife got relieved from her 10 yr. teaching sunday school ministry for following doctors orders when he told her that to fix her painful medical issue, she had to cut her hair, so it went from down to her mid calves to became hair to her waist. We had prayed about it for almost a year B4 she had it cut. Her headaches and lumps are gone now that she cut it.(It is still LONG HAIR THO!)

I got asked to withdraw from leadership for growing and maintaing a short kept beard, as it is not allowed in leadership ministry.

(Now we are just help meets here and there


We are sorta marked now for those reasons, noone ofcourse would say so, but thats just how it is....we still have good friends there tho. We both were raised UPC, so as U said, its hard to break free from "it".


I dont agree with a lot of what is taught, and how things "are ran"(1 man in power).

It seems I have to force myself to attend practically every service...

BUT with alllll that said, there are often times afterward I am glad I made myself go. Some great nuggets of truth get preached here and there, as well as encouraging uplifting messages. I love my pastor, he is a great man, with a sincere heart and desire to lead the congregation to heaven. I could say many, many positve things of Him. He is tryin to be Spirit led concerning leading the church.

However, as far as learning the bible, I truly believe I can learn more(scripturally) from my own studies than attending services, but I need the friendships, and the praising(that isnt wide open), and I attend more for my children and trying to set an example than anything right now. Its difficult trying to navigate thru the things they are taught that I dont agree with, knowing at what age and how to explain to my children things that we see differently than what are taught.

Untill a door of better options open up, I will continue to attend. I have too many friends there to leave right now, and personally I am not ready to attend a trinitarian church of any kind(no offense Sam)
(I have condidered checking in to a non denom tho)


I understand what youre saying...., and if somebody leaves and doesnt anymore attend UPC, they will be thought of negatively no matter where they go. And if they leave to attend a so called "denominal church" theyre soul has to be lost in the pits of a burnin hell. I could go on....

Not that any of this helps youre dilemna, just another example that youre not the only one trying to work thru this sorta thing. Its been a very difficult thing for me. I pray God gives us all wisdom and patience to work thru it according to His will.
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Old 05-19-2010, 05:27 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

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The fear comes from years of believing and living things I've been told, and finally reaching the conclusion that the Bible doesn't support it, and not knowing what to do next. It comes from knowing how people that I've trusted over the years and looked up to are going to respond to me. It's also a natural fear of the unknown.

I know God doesn't want me to be afraid...unfortunately, I've seen many people leave "the church" over the years, and I know how mean and ugly some Christians can be.
I guess that is what scares me...I've always been a peacemaker, so doing anything that would cause any type of strife is totally against my nature. I am praying for direction from the Lord, because I need to know the best way to move forward.
David said:
"The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear" the LORD is the
strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid"?

"What time I am afraid I will trust in THEE". Ps. 56: 3

"In God have I put my trust. I will not be afraid what man can do unto me"
Ps. Ps. 56:11

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own under-
standing. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths".
Prov. 3:5,6


If we have a close relationship with the LORD, we should have to go no
further than HIM. WHY run to man when we can run to HIM! IF you don't
feel you are that close to HIM, ask HIM to lead and guide you to those who
are closely connected to HIM and connect with them, by extension. Mean-
while, seek to have a CLOSER relationship with HIM. We will all need it!
Ask HIM today to lead and guide you by HIS SPIRIT that lives in you!

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Old 05-19-2010, 06:45 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

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David said:
"The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear" the LORD is the
strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid"?

"What time I am afraid I will trust in THEE". Ps. 56: 3

"In God have I put my trust. I will not be afraid what man can do unto me"
Ps. Ps. 56:11

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own under-
standing. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths".
Prov. 3:5,6


If we have a close relationship with the LORD, we should have to go no
further than HIM. WHY run to man when we can run to HIM! IF you don't
feel you are that close to HIM, ask HIM to lead and guide you to those who
are closely connected to HIM and connect with them, by extension. Mean-
while, seek to have a CLOSER relationship with HIM. We will all need it!
Ask HIM today to lead and guide you by HIS SPIRIT that lives in you!

Hugs,
Falla39
Thank you for the reminder. I am trusting in the Lord.
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:14 PM
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Thank you for the reminder. I am trusting in the Lord.
Sister, praying for you and your husband. God knows right where you are,
and HE cares. Of course you both know that too!
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:57 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

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It helps to know that others out there know what it's like. I don't know what the future holds for me and my husband. I NEVER thought I would be at this point....ever. Thank you to everyone that has responded, you don't know how much I appreciate it.

I have to admit...I am afraid of what the future holds.
I was there at this point in 2008...my husband was a licensed UPC minister and we have over 25 licensed ministers in our family...I NEVER thought I would get to that point either, but after having a daughter (who at 4 began to question EVERYTHING), I did some research to try to justify to our daughter why we held to the standards that we kept...I was surprised at what I found out...NOW with that being said, be sure to study it out...and find someone who has paved the way before you that is BALANCED...and pray...and pray some more...and pray some more...LOL...You get the picture...never do anything hasty...make sure you are following Him, that's the MOST important thing...just my two cents from someone who's been there...
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:00 PM
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Re: For those that left the UPC...

That advice is worth a whole lot more than 2 cents!
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