Protestant Pastors Attitude Toward Islam

[KWSS1976]

See also that the Taliban are not Christians so why would God ordain there Govenment...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Yea it does Pel.....lol but I try to take the bible literally as some others on here do..I mean we have people taking the bible literally trying to duplicate Pentecost so I am just trying to follow the word....but to answer yes it gets really complicated but you have some that will say it's not complicated...just a lack of "UNDERSTANDING"....LOL

If our founding fathers took that scripture literally there would be no U.S.A. today. I guess all we can do is compare civil law to moral law and if there is a disagreement we have to go with moral law and break civil law or work to have civil law revised or repealed.

Others who faced that dilemma were Christians who defied civil law, even lying at times, to protect Jews from Nazis.

[CC1]

Very sad that only half of the Christian ministers believe Islam is evil. Islam is factually evil by its own words, the Koran. It calls for the destruction or enslavement of non believers, etc. You can clean up a pig and paint pink toenail polish on it and a nice pearl necklace but in the end it is still a pig. Islam is still a pig despite the "dress up" some folks try to give it.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by CC1

Very sad that only half of the Christian ministers believe Islam is evil. Islam is factually evil by its own words, the Koran. It calls for the destruction or enslavement of non believers, etc. You can clean up a pig and paint pink toenail polish on it and a nice pearl necklace but in the end it is still a pig. Islam is still a pig despite the "dress up" some folks try to give it.

Was the Old Testament evil, before the NT came along?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Was the Old Testament evil, before the NT came along?

The whole premise of the OT was different than the Koran. In the OT God gives man a moral code that reflects God's values (the Ten commandments) and seeks to have communion with man.

While there certainly was violence in the OT against those who opposed God's chosen people there were no instructions to kill or enslave all who did not convert to Judasim.

The only way one can have a "moderate" version of Islam is to completely ignore many of the concepts and directives in the Koran. Much like liberal Christian theologians view the Bible as just a good book.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by CC1

Very sad that only half of the Christian ministers believe Islam is evil.

CC1, what are your thoughts concerning this statement by Billy Graham?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0

[CC1]

knotofworks, I have never heard that clip before or anything like that. Very disappointing. I don't know if BG actually believed in universal reconciliation as his statement there would indicate or if he was trying to be diplomatic and went to far in what he said. The statement does not seem to square with the rest of his ministry. Are there other instances of him stating a belief in universal reconciliation?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

CC1, what are your thoughts concerning this statement by Billy Graham?
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Was he teaching universalism or was he just saying what G.T. Haywood and Bro. Norris taught for years ---that folks would be judged by how they walked in the light they had?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Sam

Was he teaching universalism or was he just saying what G.T. Haywood and Bro. Norris taught for years ---that folks would be judged by how they walked in the light they had?

I don't think the Pentecostal pioneers you mentioned extended their light doctrine outside of the confines of Christianity. They gave allowances within the framwork of one acknowledging Christ as their saviour.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by CC1

I don't think the Pentecostal pioneers you mentioned extended their light doctrine outside of the confines of Christianity. They gave allowances within the framwork of one acknowledging Christ as their saviour.

from G.T. Haywood's book on the resurrection. Notice the paragraph that is bolded.

The Second Resurrection.

According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the
"blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second
resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the
difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who
did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and
wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that
Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goat
according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all
ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid
opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have
never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during
the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given
eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and
the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be
given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New
Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.

If we desire to take part in the first resurrection we must be
filled with the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. It
is the church of the First-born that takes part in the first
resurrection. To enter into that Church, which is his body, we must be
baptized into it by both water and the Spirit. (See John 3:5; Rom.
6:3-5; 1 Cor. 12:12, 13; Gal. 3:26-28.

The time for the first resurrection is at hand. Are you
preparing to meet the Bridegroom? You must get oil within your vessels
and have your lamps trimmed and burning. Soon shall we hear the
midnight cry - "BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH."