PBT and R. Harvey: Follow the Money Trail?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Dan, you're sinking to new lows.

I don't quite see the "money trail" as being that big of a deal. Fact of the matter is, 20,000 paperbacks through the PPH won't bring in that much of an income over the years. I wouldn't tear up the checks when they came in, but I'd certainly be open to "prospects" if I was woman living alone. I guess that may in part explain why the change was made from RR to RH. Dunno, but you can't blame a girl.

I think RH really does believe this stuff - in spite of the fact that it appears to have failed to provide the "protection" for her home that she claims it will do for others.

I also don't think the original post is a "low" either. RH has made remarkable and even outlandish claims and has failed to provide Scriptural support for her claims. That she might receive some scrutiny isn't that remarkable.

What we're seeing is the struggling gasps of a dying way of life. This whole "Identity" with it's "look" was sold to our parents (or grand parents if you aren't as old as I am) with the promise that it was all a part of "End Time Revival."

Well, no "revival." And we've had to do a lot of rethinking about the "End Time" as well. But hey! These are the "old paths" - right?

Nope - remember? They were just sold to our parents. Flip through your family albums again. Something that was a novelty to them certainly isn't all that "old."

Have they ever told us the truth about anything?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't quite see the "money trail" as being that big of a deal. Fact of the matter is, 20,000 paperbacks through the PPH won't bring in that much of an income over the years. I wouldn't tear up the checks when they came in, but I'd certainly be open to "prospects" if I was woman living alone. I guess that may in part explain why the change was made from RR to RH. Dunno, but you can't blame a girl.

I think RH really does believe this stuff - in spite of the fact that it appears to have failed to provide the "protection" for her home that she claims it will do for others.

I also don't think the original post is a "low" either. RH has made remarkable and even outlandish claims and has failed to provide Scriptural support for her claims. That she might receive some scrutiny isn't that remarkable.

What we're seeing is the struggling gasps of a dying way of life. This whole "Identity" with it's "look" was sold to our parents (or grand parents if you aren't as old as I am) with the promise that it was all a part of "End Time Revival."

Well, no "revival." And we've had to do a lot of rethinking about the "End Time" as well. But hey! These are the "old paths" - right?

Nope - remember? They were just sold to our parents. Flip through your family albums again. Something that was a novelty to them certainly isn't all that "old."

Have they ever told us the truth about anything?

This is so very true! It is dying- many are in denial of this.

I think it is harder for the older generation the whole identity thing is so much apart of who they are and how they think. How could things be any other way for them.

I think of that book "Who moved my cheese", gives an example of what happens in the work place, by can be applied here as well.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't quite see the "money trail" as being that big of a deal. Fact of the matter is, 20,000 paperbacks through the PPH won't bring in that much of an income over the years. I wouldn't tear up the checks when they came in, but I'd certainly be open to "prospects" if I was woman living alone. I guess that may in part explain why the change was made from RR to RH. Dunno, but you can't blame a girl.

I think RH really does believe this stuff - in spite of the fact that it appears to have failed to provide the "protection" for her home that she claims it will do for others.

I also don't think the original post is a "low" either. RH has made remarkable and even outlandish claims and has failed to provide Scriptural support for her claims. That she might receive some scrutiny isn't that remarkable.

What we're seeing is the struggling gasps of a dying way of life. This whole "Identity" with it's "look" was sold to our parents (or grand parents if you aren't as old as I am) with the promise that it was all a part of "End Time Revival."

Well, no "revival." And we've had to do a lot of rethinking about the "End Time" as well. But hey! These are the "old paths" - right?

Nope - remember? They were just sold to our parents. Flip through your family albums again. Something that was a novelty to them certainly isn't all that "old."

Have they ever told us the truth about anything?

According to Reider in her message it was about 20,000 in the first 6 weeks. Will try to get exact quote and numbers.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by DAII

According to Reider in her message it was about 20,000 in the first 6 weeks.

WOW!!!

[DAII]

Pel, keeping in mind that in PBT, Ruth attributes a women cutting her hair on the mission field ... to her husband leaving her ...

In this 2008 recording, she gets into some details about her divorce and how she was on the floor, if memory serves, contemplating whacking her hair off and breaking her covenant with God, while the deal with her former husband was finalizing, and she didn't .. SHE RESISTED. She then tells how God provided a miraculous 1% inheritance so she could get it published and through her keeping her covenant .... God made provision for her and her girls through the sale of her book.

[DAII]

Really? Proposing that cetain individuals like EN Bell to TD Jakes have political and financial gain not to leave false doctrine or to abandon the truth has been a staple argument of many to why the Oneness movement is as marginal as it is.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Dan, you're sinking to new lows.

[Hoovie]

T D Jakes is into false doctrine? What, did he put in an order for some PBT HMH?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by DAII

Really? Proposing that cetain individuals like EN Bell to TD Jakes have political and financial gain not to leave false doctrine or to abandon the truth has been a staple argument to why the Oneness movement is s marginal as it is.

I don't think it is wrong to have financial gain in ones life, either by writing a book or selling audio material.

But when that finical gain is linked to something so outrageous as HMH- that is very concerning.

I think propagating the HMH only marginalizes the oneness movement even further.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I don't think it is wrong to have financial gain in ones life, either by writing a book or selling audio material.

But when that finical gain is linked to something so outrageous as HMH- that is very concerning.

I think propagating the HMH only marginalizes the oneness movement even further.

Reider's rise to promininence is saddled on PBT, Liz .... it has made her one of the most sought out women speakers in the movement ...
She is a holiness guru in the eyes of many.

Also tally the honorariums for teaching this doctrinal niche she has made for herself ... and she has done well to supplement her earnings ..... no doubt.

That's just the realities that are coupled with this ideological stand.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

T D Jakes is into false doctrine? What, did he put in an order for some PBT HMH?

So, many OPs say.