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04-26-2007, 11:17 AM
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My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.
He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.
Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?
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Ive meant many who've only spoken in tongues once in their life during our preaching days, yes they are saved. There is the gifts of tongues of many different languages like Koren, Spanish etc; these are not the same as receiving tongues of God as a sign of the infilling, this one sound like baby gab. One is of the gifts the other tongues is a sign of the infilling, a heavenly language only God and the angels understand it.
~ Ive seen people in filled with the HG speak in baby gab, but never to go on and receive the gifts of tongues of many languages. And I seen where many churches taught unless they speak with the gifts (tongues of many languages)they are not saved. They have seemly by pass the fact God in filled them, as His sign, they are saved.
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04-26-2007, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.
He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.
Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?
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No. if God had given him over to a reprobate mind, he never would have been able to come back to repentance. The Spirit of God never left him.
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04-26-2007, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.
He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.
Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?
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Ye shall know them by their fruits.
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04-26-2007, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.
He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.
Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?
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To be right with God....NO.
But the same benefit that speaking in tongues provided pertaining to unbelief involving a pre-19 year old believer, will again edify the 42 year old believer.
The subtlety of doubt (unbelief) lurking in some future shadow would have fewer hiding places if this witness was again a part of your brother's experience with God's spirit.
Since tongues are given for a sign to them who believe not
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He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself...
your brother being edifyied is a good thing.
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1Co 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not
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04-26-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
My brother backslid when he was 19. He is now 42. Four years ago he had an "experience" with God while driving home from work. He was listening to a worldly song, and something triggered an emotion in him. He broke, pulled over to the side of the road and cried and prayed for quite a while. He started attending church again.
He did not speak in tongues that day, nor has he since. He is living a committed life.
Is he lost?
Does he need to speak in tongues again to be right with God?
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No, faith in God ultimately saves us, but there is a rich, deep spiritual dimension that he will miss out on.
I Cor. 14 details this in much detail.
There are 7 benefits to the believer who has the ongoing experience of praying in tongues.
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04-26-2007, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by keith4him
No, faith in God ultimately saves us, but there is a rich, deep spiritual dimension that he will miss out on.
I Cor. 14 details this in much detail.
There are 7 benefits to the believer who has the ongoing experience of praying in tongues.
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how are you connecting the Corithians tongues to initial infilling?
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04-26-2007, 01:43 PM
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Ok, this thread is great for me. Sometime I feel like I am the only one who doesn't speak in tongues. Now I have felt the spirit of God many times since I received the Holy Ghost at 8 years of age but at the age of 27 I feel like I am missing out on something.
Also, I am a youth leader and I shy away from the altar service because I feel like I shouldn't be trying to lead people to receive that Holy Ghost if I can barely remember the experience myself. How can I teach young people about the gift of the Holy Ghost if I can't fully speak in tongues myself?
How did the pastor mentioned above move in the Holy Spirit and teach others about the Holy Ghost? He must have had great faith.
This has been really bothering me in the last couple of years and more so now that I am even called a youth pastor when I don't speak in tongues. And it gets worse. What would people think if the youth pastor went to the altar to receive the Holy Ghost? What’s more, what if I didn't get it? This is why I freeze up and can't respond to the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit moves mightily in our services and I find myself getting nervous when people pray for me and I don't respond like I should. I then get even more nervous and then freeze up altogether and then don't feel God at all. This has caused me to fear being anywhere around the altar.
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04-26-2007, 01:46 PM
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It's not easy being me.
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Freezing up is your problem. Thaw out and just let God bless ya.
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04-26-2007, 01:52 PM
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Freezing up is your problem. Thaw out and just let God bless ya.
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How? Look if it was so easy I think I would have.
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04-26-2007, 02:14 PM
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I'm not coming at you negatively or making light of what you said. I didn't mean to sound trite.
It's not always easy to get beyond our feelings with this kind of thing. Try not to focus on what you think other people's expected response out of you if they pray for you, etc. is. You're not responding or answering to them, you're responding to God. Keep your communication with God as your main focus and allow Him to just bless your soul.
I also don't think there is anything wrong with you personally just outright asking God to let you speak in tongues again because you want to know how it feels and experience it again.
When someone initially is seeking the Holy Ghost the focus should not be on getting tongues, but surrendering to the Lord (and that always applies throughout life for that matter), but if you've spoken before and you, in your time between just you and God, want to feel that again, I don't think that's anything displeasing to Him.
When I first got the Holy Ghost I didn't speak in tongues too long the first time, and then for a while after that I didn't anymore either. (Not a real long time, but a while though....) And I just wanted to 'pray through' again and speak in tongues, and I prayed to that end. And I did. Since then that has come much easier to me and is very commonplace for me. I don't ALWAYS speak in tongues, but I do a lot....
I think maybe some of it just has to do with learning how to let go of ourselves and be more receptive to the flow of the Spirit.
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