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04-26-2007, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I have always thought every prayer, in every place should be "in Jesus Name".
This has never been a question in my personal life/church/family.
However, at times I am asked to pray in a group - as in asking a blessing where there are unbelievers or even those who may be of a non Christian religion and realize there could be offense. I have never shied away from saying, "In Jesus Name" or "in Your Name" we pray, Amen.
This past week I was in a meeting where a Spirit-filled Christian was asked to give invocation at a banquet dinner with a mix of several hundred people (I know some were Jewish) present. He entirely skipped the ending, making no reference to any "Name" at all.
I was offended a bit at first, then thought, perhaps it was the right thing to do here - knowing he was representing some who would not pray "In Jesus' Name".
How do you deal with these situations? If you are a chaplain and you know an individual will be offended if you pray to Jesus, what do you do?
If you don't pray in Jesus Name - what is the point?
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Does merely saying the words "in Jesus' name" mean that you are praying with the authority Jesus gave you to pray? Since "in the name of" really means "in the authority of," do you cease to have the authority to pray just because you don't use a certain combination of words like some sort of magical incantation? If you start out your prayer by addressing it directly to Jesus, do you really need to say "in the name of Jesus I pray, amen"?
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04-26-2007, 04:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I have always thought every prayer, in every place should be "in Jesus Name".
This has never been a question in my personal life/church/family.
However, at times I am asked to pray in a group - as in asking a blessing where there are unbelievers or even those who may be of a non Christian religion and realize there could be offense. I have never shied away from saying, "In Jesus Name" or "in Your Name" we pray, Amen.
This past week I was in a meeting where a Spirit-filled Christian was asked to give invocation at a banquet dinner with a mix of several hundred people (I know some were Jewish) present. He entirely skipped the ending, making no reference to any "Name" at all.
I was offended a bit at first, then thought, perhaps it was the right thing to do here - knowing he was representing some who would not pray "In Jesus' Name".
How do you deal with these situations? If you are a chaplain and you know an individual will be offended if you pray to Jesus, what do you do?
If you don't pray in Jesus Name - what is the point?
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AT the memorial for those kids slain in Virginia they had a Muslin invoke Allah a Jew invoke God and a Lutheran avoid the name of Jesus entirely...what's wrong with this picture?
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04-26-2007, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
Does merely saying the words "in Jesus' name" mean that you are praying with the authority Jesus gave you to pray? Since "in the name of" really means "in the authority of," do you cease to have the authority to pray just because you don't use a certain combination of words like some sort of magical incantation? If you start out your prayer by addressing it directly to Jesus, do you really need to say "in the name of Jesus I pray, amen"?
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Chan, I agree entirely.
In my case it is not a matter of being concerned whether the prayer is valid in God's eyes, but whether I am wimping out to favor men rather than stand strong for God.
I am still not sure what is best in some of these situations. Sometimes the better witness can't be condensed in a word or a phrase... I just don't normally shirk from saying the name of Jesus.
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04-26-2007, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Chan, I agree entirely.
In my case it is not a matter of being concerned whether the prayer is valid in God's eyes, but whether I am wimping out to favor men rather than stand strong for God.
I am still not sure what is best in some of these situations. Sometimes the better witness can't be condensed in a word or a phrase... I just don't normally shirk from saying the name of Jesus.
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You are standing strong by PRAYING to God!
I really don't see that not using "in Jesus name" as wimping out at all. The only people that really would note the difference is other oneness people.
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04-26-2007, 04:57 PM
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Praying in Jesus name is also a witness.How can someone know you are praying IN Jesus name if you do not let them know?
Same reason why we don't pray in tongues too lol
However I will have to dig up my post showing that the name of Jesus WAS INDEED invoked by the early church and that they regularly called on his name and used his name to heal and cast out demons...now if someone wants to say that is magick....wow that is sad
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04-26-2007, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
You are standing strong by PRAYING to God!
I really don't see that not using "in Jesus name" as wimping out at all. The only people that really would note the difference is other oneness people.
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Now that I don't see as true. I most always hear non Oneness Christians end prayer in either "Jesus Name" or the "Name of Your Son" or "Your Name" etc.
But you are right, it is an anomaly today to even say a prayer at all.
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04-26-2007, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Now that I don't see as true. I most always hear non Oneness Christians end prayer in either "Jesus Name" or the "Name of Your Son" or "Your Name" etc.
But you are right, it is an anomaly today to even say a prayer at all.
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I agree, I do hear others say in Jesus name, but what I was saying is that I doubt a Baptist would think you were wimping out by just saying Amen - I've also heard oneness people just end their prayer saying "Amen" (especially when they are hungry)!!!!!
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04-26-2007, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Praying in Jesus name is also a witness.How can someone know you are praying IN Jesus name if you do not let them know?
Same reason why we don't pray in tongues too lol
However I will have to dig up my post showing that the name of Jesus WAS INDEED invoked by the early church and that they regularly called on his name and used his name to heal and cast out demons...now if someone wants to say that is magick....wow that is sad
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I think the point was, it is not the exact sound the vocal chords are making - but rather the intent of the heart. If I stated "this I ask in the name of the Lord" it would have the effect.
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04-26-2007, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
I agree, I do hear others say in Jesus name, but what I was saying is that I doubt a Baptist would think you were wimping out by just saying Amen - does that make sense?
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Awe.. yes it makes sense. But what if it was apparant I was trying to appease a Jew or a Muslim by averting the name of Jesus?
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04-26-2007, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Awe.. yes it makes sense. But what if it was apparant I was trying to appease a Jew or a Muslim by averting the name of Jesus?
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Just for fun....
Would you think a Muslim was wimping out if he prayed for a group and left out Allah or would you think he was being respectful of other beliefs being there?
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