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02-07-2010, 01:22 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
From reading on the previous forums it seems that many said that, originally, the "differing" views on the salvational message sounded so alike that you couldn't distinguish the two. Now it's been said that the differences are very apparent and couldn't possibly abide together.
So, wouldn't the two have drifted apart even without an Affirmation Statement? It seems like they would have. Perhaps the AF helped it along but, today it seems it would have ended in a divide anyway, JMO.
How can God, who is so precise on plans and timing, have two plans of salvation?
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They would only drift apart if one group or the other made it a divisive issue. The affirmation statement was part of that divisive direction.
We lost some good men when that happened.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-07-2010, 02:04 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Not being UPC but having heard bits and pieces about the Affirmation Statement please clarify. Did it have to do with the plan of salvation or standards or both?
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Ministers were required to sign the AS annually to affirm their belief in the changes made to the Fundamental Doctrine and the Articles of Faith. That has since been changed as well to bi-annually.
The changes affected the UPC's position on the plan of salvation and standards - both.
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02-07-2010, 02:20 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
From reading on the previous forums it seems that many said that, originally, the "differing" views on the salvational message sounded so alike that you couldn't distinguish the two. Now it's been said that the differences are very apparent and couldn't possibly abide together.
So, wouldn't the two have drifted apart even without an Affirmation Statement? It seems like they would have. Perhaps the AF helped it along but, today it seems it would have ended in a divide anyway, JMO.
How can God, who is so precise on plans and timing, have two plans of salvation?
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IMHO - The most practical aspect of the changes concerned the ways in the UPC has a group viewed other groups of Christian believers.
The "old way" admitted that other Christians could be saved. The "new way" denys even the possibility that other Christians can possibly be saved unless they join the Oneness Apostolic Faith movement.
This whole pattern of change must also be upheld by a false view of Church History. In order to substantiate their claims in light of Matthew 16:18 (the "gates of hell prevailing" against the church), the revisionists have also adopted a fraudulant view of history that is maintained only with the grossest fabrications, otherwise they'd have to admit that for some reason no one was saved for about 1,700 years of the church's almost 2,000 year history.
Bible truth never needs to be upheld by outright lies and fabrications. The UPC needs to reprent of promoting these lies. The whole "Three Stepper" movement needs to repent for inventing and passing one these lies.
Then, maybe, we can see the Oneness Apostolic revival that we all desire.
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02-07-2010, 02:24 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
For the record, I don't think that verse in Matthew has anything to do with an unbroken chain of visible believers.
It has to do with the church verses the gates of hell. The church is victorious through Christ, over death and sin.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-07-2010, 02:27 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
For the record, I don't think that verse in Matthew has anything to do with an unbroken chain of visible believers.
It has to do with the church verses the gates of hell. The church is victorious through Christ, over death and sin.
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You're sure learning a lot of stuff stuff from MY Logos Scholar's Bible Study package.
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02-07-2010, 02:47 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Brother David
IMHO - The most practical aspect of the changes concerned the ways in the UPC has a group viewed other groups of Christian believers.
The "old way" admitted that other Christians could be saved. The "new way" denys even the possibility that other Christians can possibly be saved unless they join the Oneness Apostolic Faith movement.
This whole pattern of change must also be upheld by a false view of Church History. In order to substantiate their claims in light of Matthew 16:18 (the "gates of hell prevailing" against the church), the revisionists have also adopted a fraudulant view of history that is maintained only with the grossest fabrications, otherwise they'd have to admit that for some reason no one was saved for about 1,700 years of the church's almost 2,000 year history.
Bible truth never needs to be upheld by outright lies and fabrications. The UPC needs to reprent of promoting these lies. The whole "Three Stepper" movement needs to repent for inventing and passing one these lies.
Then, maybe, we can see the Oneness Apostolic revival that we all desire. |
On the other hand the one step group who also does claim Acts 2:38 would have to admit that for 1700 years no one did what the Apostles commanded to be done in the first sermon preached in the New Testament Church.
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02-07-2010, 02:58 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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On the other hand the one step group who also does claim Acts 2:38 would have to admit that for 1700 years no one did what the Apostles commanded to be done in the first sermon preached in the New Testament Church. |
which is no where near the size of the problem that three steppers are faced with if there wasn't anyone in that 1700 years doing those things.
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02-07-2010, 03:06 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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You're sure learning a lot of stuff stuff from MY Logos Scholar's Bible Study package.
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lol
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-07-2010, 03:07 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
Protestants have to admit that until the reformation nobody was doing what they claim is the truth and on and on it goes
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-07-2010, 03:44 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by deadeye
I am guessing your not UPC...but used to be....
My advice to you is...
Get. Over. It......for goodness sake. Leave it behind....let the UPC be the UPC and live your life as you please.
Sheeeesh....if it wasnt for the UPC half the threads on this forum would have nothing to gripe about...
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This is pretty much what Jesus told His followers in Matthew 15:14 when they were excluded and received the left foot of disfellowship from the Pharisees (the "religious and holiness" organization of their day).
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