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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
I am seeing the business of doing "church" becoming less influential and personal relationship and practical application soaring. I know... it's always been that way but, things seem to be changing. The primary goal does not seem to be get people to come to church anymore.
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01-12-2010, 10:14 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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We have grown in the last year probably by 20%...the Church is Rockin' Folks are being won to the Lord...Preaching is Anointed..Folks are looking for Folks that are commited to serving God...It's working for us...
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Amen! 
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01-12-2010, 10:16 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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We have grown in the last year probably by 20%...the Church is Rockin' Folks are being won to the Lord...Preaching is Anointed..Folks are looking for Folks that are commited to serving God...It's working for us...
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Great. You mention "annointed preaching". Do you attribute some of the groweth to that? Would you say you have traditional services?
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-12-2010, 10:16 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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I am seeing the business of doing "church" becoming less influential and personal relationship and practical application soaring. I know... it's always been that way but, thing seem to be changing. The primary goal does not seem to be get people to come to church anymore.
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You believe that the apostolic movement isn't looking to gain more folks?
No one I know believes that. Could you explain what you mean in the above?
Thank you Brother.
In Jesus' Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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01-12-2010, 10:18 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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And it's not just the pentecostal genre, Hoovie. It's most all Americanized cultured Christianity. It's the tone as much as the style.
Here's something Erwin McManus said:
"What is really needed in the church today is not so much a change in music, although that may need to change.....not so much a change in the decor, although that may need to change. It's not so much a change in how we look, and we may very well need to change how we look.
But the real change that's needed within the church is a change from the posture of spiritual arrogance to one of spiritual humility.....a change from "The church is not here for us, the church is here for the world."
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For Pentecostals, maybe all this mostly goes back to the early days in pentecostal history. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but the pentecsotal movement and the modern falling of the Holy Ghost began as a kind of extra blessing on people that already believed they were saved. This experience was then "marketed" to other christians as a super special blessing they could have. It wasn't marketed to the lost because it was thought of as something extra for christians. So maybe all this being centered on "christians" stems from the fact that the pentecostal movement all began as a movement for christans here and not a movement for sinners...
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01-12-2010, 10:21 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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You believe that the apostolic movement isn't looking to gain more folks?
No one I know believes that. Could you explain what you mean in the above?
Thank you Brother.
In Jesus' Name
Brother Benincasa
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No I don't mean that.
It seems many are not buying in at a church service (even though the baptisms etc take place there) but rather it seems they are convinced through personal friendships and life outside the church services more than in the past.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-12-2010, 10:32 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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No I don't mean that.
It seems many are not buying in at a church service (even though the baptisms etc take place there) but rather it seems they are convinced through personal friendships and life outside the church services more than in the past.
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I believe that most people come and stay because we work on friendships.
Having them fill out a card, and never build a relationship will never create stickability. Relationship take work, and both sides have to WANT to work on the relationship. We won't always have understandings, but will have misunderstandings. We always have to be able to stick it out and work with each other. People stay because of our spiritual commitment to them and their family members. A wife who is attending services without her husband cannot place him on the back burner while she asks for prayer to say his soul.
The ministers need to seek him out and see if we can do anything to build a relationship.
In Jesus' Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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01-12-2010, 10:54 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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I believe that most people come and stay because we work on friendships. Having them fill out a card, and never build a relationship will never create stickability. Relationship take work, and both sides have to WANT to work on the relationship. We won't always have understandings, but will have misunderstandings. We always have to be able to stick it out and work with each other. People stay because of our spiritual commitment to them and their family members. A wife who is attending services without her husband cannot place him on the back burner while she asks for prayer to say his soul.
The ministers need to seek him out and see if we can do anything to build a relationship.
In Jesus' Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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I think you are right. If they get a genuine meaningful relationship with God and His people they might stay in spite of undesirable style etc.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-12-2010, 11:03 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
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I think you are right. If they get a genuine meaningful relationship with God and His people they might stay in spite of undesirable style etc.
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I deal with Mormon missionaries from time to time, and some of those young men and women are very sincere good young people. I never try to convert them at jump street. I have built relationships over the years. I had two who came back to my house (after they had finished their mission) all the way from Utah, because how they were treated when they first visited my family.
I want friends who are real friends, and the people who come to our churches want to find Christians. Some want to find them to learn from them, and some want to find Christians to skin them alive.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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01-12-2010, 11:54 PM
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Re: What if our Appeal is Appalling?
I don't care for the "total abandon" style of church. If everyone is worshiping, really reaching out but not running around in circles or doing a pentecostal jig that's enough. Someone getting emotionally stirred from time to time is ok, but I don't think anything beyond raised hands and uplifted voices ought to be characterized as normal or regular "Pentecostal worship"
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