China's first mega church gets shut down

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by stasis

Good. I hope the mega churches in America get shut down. Why? Because they LIE about what Jesus said and twist his words in order to draw big crowds (tickle people's ears with false doctrine) required to become 'mega'.

By the way, the reason why it seems there "isnt' persecution" in America, is because no one in America (or very few) are preaching any truth at all. America is today's Babylon, and our false churches run around the planet spreading their false doctrine, bearing false witness of Christ. ANYWHERE you preach truth there will be persecution. Absence of persecution indicates absence of truth, while presence of persecution is not necessarily indicative of truth.

"Woe unto you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets."

I see...so if we DID have persecution in America it would be because there is truth...however persecution is not indicative of having the truth...talk about confusion and contradiction

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

My husband was in China starting underground churches for three years. The big public churches that you see are government controlled and they make everyone attending register their names. People are beaten or teeth knocked out or killed for disobeying Gov.
sanctions. In the past Christian leaders have been jailed, tortured or killed for the gospel there. They don't play. They mean it.

Was this a government sanctioned church? They must have done something wrong (or right) to get beat up

[stasis]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I see...so if we DID have persecution in America it would be because there is truth...however persecution is not indicative of having the truth...talk about confusion and contradiction

No, I never typed the words "If we had persecution in America it would be because there is truth".

Here's what I said: "the reason why it seems there isn't persecution in America, is because no one in America (or very few) are preaching any truth at all."

Perhaps I can walk you through this.

Falun Gong practitioners are persecuted in China, unto death. Do they believe Jesus died on the cross for the sins of his people, and that Christ is the only way to heaven? No. Therefore, persecution alone is not indicative of truth.

However, it is written in 2 Timothy 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution". Therefore living godly after the example of Christ results in persecution.

The fact that there is an apparent absence of persecution of America's 'Mega Churches', and very little persecution in general in this nation which can by no stretch be called a 'Christian nation', is itself an indictment of it's 'churches'.

Understand now?

With as many liars, thieves and murderers in political office, yet we have no apparent persecution of people who are supposedly 'living godly in Christ Jesus'? That's because they aren't, and the sad thing is, they don't even realize they aren't because the twisting of God's Word runs so deep.

Also, if someone gets persecuted for telling some Arabs that Jesus was a cross-dressing lesbian, or some Chinese they can 'get saved' by walking down an aisle and having an emotional experience or releasing tension, are those 'preachers' suffering for righteousness sake? No. They're suffering in the same category as Falun Gong practitioners: some people getting mowed over by a corrupt government for reasons other than truth.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I see...so if we DID have persecution in America it would be because there is truth...however persecution is not indicative of having the truth...talk about confusion and contradiction

my thoughts exactly.

I'm assuming the mega church wasn't a oneness pentecostal church. And I'm also assuming the great revival in China is not primarily oneness pentecostal. So is it all just false doctrine, are they just a bunch of hell bound pagans?

Sadly, some in the comfort of American Christianity, would answer, yes, they are hell bound. And why? because of how they dress

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Was this a government sanctioned church? They must have done something wrong (or right) to get beat up

Brother we are not the kind of church doctrine in China that gets government sanctioned. You cannot preach what we preach as salvation in China and be a government sanctioned church. They knock your teeth out and more if they can
for the true Gospel in China.

[DeepThinker]

Apoc said: "The closure of what may be China's first mega-church is the most visible sign that the communist government is determined to rein in the rapid spread of Christianity, with a crackdown in recent months that church leaders call the harshest in years."

This is a sign that the government is desperate. It means they are losing control. They think that if they hurt Christians that this would be an example for every Christian to stop being a Christian. But like all past godly movements the more persecution the more the Church expands. China is changing and some of their leaders are still operating from an old school Mao mentality. They will change, it's inevitable. Communism will come down in that country. And God forbid if it ever should be like the United States of America, arrogant, self centered and misguided.

[Aquila]

I pray that Christians in China don't buy into the American vision of mega-churching. If they do the revival will stagnate. They are doing tremendously well with their smaller gatherings that spread and multiply rapidly. They must remember... rabbits bread faster than elephants.