Wraps Up How I Feel About the Health Care Issue

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I realize there are real needs, but how do you sift through the ones that abuse it to get to those?

We needs a healer!

We should simply let everyone die. This is, indeed, the easy way out.

And the most economical way, I might add.

[commonsense]

The percent of abusers tops the percent of deserving recipients.

Just stand in line at the grocery store and observe.

[Jermyn Davidson]

When you compare welfare abuse with health care abuse , it will be very difficult to address the health care abuse scenarios without government becomming too intrusive.



There are far too many people, working people who simply can not afford health coverage for themselves and their families.

We need reform to address that now, and carefully crafted regulations that protect privacy and discourages abuse.



Really, it isn't fair to compare the welfare abuse problem with the health care problems. The latter has effects that are much farther reaching.

[ForeverBlessed]

As a single mom who has raised kids without any assistance or even child support for the last 6 years, I have difficulty standing in line with these people when I make out a detailed grocery list and stick to it. I budget and then I see such waste out of those who don't work.

With my job, I also have the pleasure of sifting through charity applications for our Health Network where people as for free healthcare. I ask for 3 months paystubs, tax returns prior year, last 2 checking acct statements in detail, proof of filing for assistance with govt, among a few other things.

I have people stand before me reeking of smoke, obvious issues, driving SUV's. The other day I went through the list with one lady... she said neither her husband or herself were employed, no paystubs to give me, no taxes, no checking acct.. yet she had a page of itemized items where her "income" was going... she had a mortgage, utilities, cell phone. I stood there and told her when she supplied me with the documentation to support her bills being paid, I would consider her application. She looked surprised that I wanted to know HOW her bills were being paid with no income. duh

The sad thing is... if you are self employed, you can get away with murder with the Foodstamp/Medicaid office. So much self employment is hidden, I know first hand as my ex was self employed. You can hide from child support and everything.

I on the other hand, work full time for 28K a year, I have supported 3 girls on the income and it has been years since I qualified for any food assistance. I went to apply once when I was struggling, they said the income that went to my $229 car pmt and $75 a month car ins should be applied to food...also, the $200 spent in tithing a month should go for food. I tithe in faith because I see a difference when I do. I have to really budget to make my income work though... so it really irks me to see people buying junk food.

I absolutely have no sympathy for all these people living off of the govt. It seems to me that our current system rewards those who don't work and it is very broken.

[Jermyn Davidson]

So does our current health care system simply rewards those who are stricken with life threatening illnesses and sicknesses, that often require long term care?


It doesn't reward anyone-- and it shouldn't.
Neither does it help enough people-- but it should.

It's mind boggling to me that the richest country on the earth can not provide quality healthcare for all of her legal residents citizens.

[jfrog]

What is funny is that no one has a better solution for the people that really need assistance... You think a mass scale church program to help people would somehow avoid abuse? The real issue is that there is no good way for any program to determine who actually needs help and who is abusing that help. There needs to be an overhaul, but there is no better way known. Anything you do to weed out the people who abuse help will also weed out people who actually need it. Quite a predicament isn't it?

[Jermyn Davidson]

The scriptural concept to be applied here would be to let the wheat and the tares grow together, right?

I still believe, though difficult, there has to be a way of tracking and punishing fraud and abuse.


We do not need a repeat of the welfare system flaws.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The scriptural concept to be applied here would be to let the wheat and the tares grow together, right?

I still believe, though difficult, there has to be a way of tracking and punishing fraud and abuse.


We do not need a repeat of the welfare system flaws.

It'd cost more to crack down on fraud and abuse than just letting them on the program in the first place...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It'd cost more to crack down on fraud and abuse than just letting them on the program in the first place...

Well doing nothing while continuing to allow 13 year old little girls to die is immoral.

Both of her parents worked.
They and the child had health insurance.
The insurance company would not agree to do the life saving surgery for her until an hour or two before she died-- a surgery that the parents lobbied for days, trying to save their daughter's life.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well doing nothing while continuing to allow 13 year old little girls to die is immoral.

Both of her parents worked.
They and the child had health insurance.
The insurance company would not agree to do the life saving surgery for her until an hour or two before she died-- a surgery that the parents lobbied for days, trying to save their daughter's life.

How would you avoid such a situation in the future... I hear alot of complaints about our current systems, but I never hear any real solutions.