"Divine Flesh" remedy

[Sam]

The Body from the TOMB, not the WOMB
by Bro. Blume

[mfblume]

It's really such a simple answer that one would be hard pressed to lengthen it into a book! lol

But I do have a book available now.

mikeblume.com/takebook.htm <---- Click here

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

These might help to support that
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

So he wasn't the Son of God til after the resurrection?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by mfblume

After considering Divine Flesh doctrine for a while, having heard their self-proclaimed strong points in argument, I realized the key to their error.

Their big verse of grounds in their minds is as follows:



Since, they say, the verse mentions the ORIGIN of Adam's body being the earth, then they reason that the reference to the Lord being "from heaven" means that His body was originated in heaven in the incarnation. But that is absolutely wrong. That is not what the verse is saying. When it speaks of Christ's body being from "heaven", it is not referring to the incarnation, but rather from THE POINT OF RESURRECTION ALONE.

The chapter is all about death and physical resurrection. Christ's physical resurrection is the firstfruits, or first of identicals to come, of the resurrection. Whatever the nature of His body in resurrection is to be the same identical "change" from mortal to immortal that our bodies shall experience in the future "rapture". With Christ's resurrection in mind, Paul refers to that point of "change" when he says Christ's body is "from heaven." He spoke of the resurrected Body of Christ.

Paul used the same sense of understanding when referring to our physical resurrections to come! He speaks of our future spiritual body, altered from the mortal bodies we presently possess, in a manner that says OUR BODIES WILL BE FROM HEAVEN one day.



Christ's body before the cross, that was the incarnation of God, was no more from Heaven than our bodies presently are. But when He resurrected, His body AT THAT POINT OF RESURRECTION is said to be FROM HEAVEN, just as our future CHANGED body will be "from heaven". Right now, my body is from the earth. But when it changes, Paul said my body will be "from heaven".

Our present mortal bodies, from the earth, are to be "changed", or altered. Presently, they are mortal. But THIS MORTAL SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY. That is, the MORTAL characteristics of our present bodies will CHANGE or ALTER to be IMMORTAL characteristics. The death factors in our flesh will be swallowed up in victory in that change. And it is at that point that our bodies can be said to be "from heaven" just as Christ's present body is "from heaven".

Christ's body used to be from earth as our bodies presently are from earth. But His body was changed and because the POWER OF HEAVEN changed it, it is now said to be FROM HEAVEN, and not of the earth.

Because 1 Cor 15 is speaking about Christ's resurrected body in order to help us understand how our bodies shall be changed, Paul was talking about Christ's PRESENT BODY since the resurrection when he said it was "from heaven". He was not talking about the body that came from Mary's womb, but the immortal body from the tomb.

So, the whole idea that 1 Cor 15 says that Christ is from Heaven, in contrast to Adam from the earth, does not support "divine flesh" teaching whatsoever. It's not that our flesh will be changed into heavenly MATERIAL as Christ's flesh came from Mary's womb with heavenly material, but rather Christ's earthly flesh was changed into heavenly flesh just as our earthly flesh will change into heavenly flesh. Both are brought about BY RESURRECTION HEAVENLY POWER. That is why they are BOTH said to be "from heaven".

Put that in the Pentecostal Herald and print it!

Excellent writing.

Originally Posted by mfblume

After considering Divine Flesh doctrine for a while, having heard their self-proclaimed strong points in argument, I realized the key to their error.

Their big verse of grounds in their minds is as follows:



Since, they say, the verse mentions the ORIGIN of Adam's body being the earth, then they reason that the reference to the Lord being "from heaven" means that His body was originated in heaven in the incarnation. But that is absolutely wrong. That is not what the verse is saying. When it speaks of Christ's body being from "heaven", it is not referring to the incarnation, but rather from THE POINT OF RESURRECTION ALONE.

The chapter is all about death and physical resurrection. Christ's physical resurrection is the firstfruits, or first of identicals to come, of the resurrection. Whatever the nature of His body in resurrection is to be the same identical "change" from mortal to immortal that our bodies shall experience in the future "rapture". With Christ's resurrection in mind, Paul refers to that point of "change" when he says Christ's body is "from heaven." He spoke of the resurrected Body of Christ.

Paul used the same sense of understanding when referring to our physical resurrections to come! He speaks of our future spiritual body, altered from the mortal bodies we presently possess, in a manner that says OUR BODIES WILL BE FROM HEAVEN one day.



Christ's body before the cross, that was the incarnation of God, was no more from Heaven than our bodies presently are. But when He resurrected, His body AT THAT POINT OF RESURRECTION is said to be FROM HEAVEN, just as our future CHANGED body will be "from heaven". Right now, my body is from the earth. But when it changes, Paul said my body will be "from heaven".

Our present mortal bodies, from the earth, are to be "changed", or altered. Presently, they are mortal. But THIS MORTAL SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY. That is, the MORTAL characteristics of our present bodies will CHANGE or ALTER to be IMMORTAL characteristics. The death factors in our flesh will be swallowed up in victory in that change. And it is at that point that our bodies can be said to be "from heaven" just as Christ's present body is "from heaven".

Christ's body used to be from earth as our bodies presently are from earth. But His body was changed and because the POWER OF HEAVEN changed it, it is now said to be FROM HEAVEN, and not of the earth.

Because 1 Cor 15 is speaking about Christ's resurrected body in order to help us understand how our bodies shall be changed, Paul was talking about Christ's PRESENT BODY since the resurrection when he said it was "from heaven". He was not talking about the body that came from Mary's womb, but the immortal body from the tomb.

So, the whole idea that 1 Cor 15 says that Christ is from Heaven, in contrast to Adam from the earth, does not support "divine flesh" teaching whatsoever. It's not that our flesh will be changed into heavenly MATERIAL as Christ's flesh came from Mary's womb with heavenly material, but rather Christ's earthly flesh was changed into heavenly flesh just as our earthly flesh will change into heavenly flesh. Both are brought about BY RESURRECTION HEAVENLY POWER. That is why they are BOTH said to be "from heaven".

Put that in the Pentecostal Herald and print it!

This is good brother Blume.

This truth that you have now embraced places you within reach of my position that you debated against for about two years on the GNC under two different subject threads there.

Congratulations. But, if you will look in the archives there, you will see that this point is, along with another point or two are the ideas that I unsuccessfully attempted to convey there.

Anyway, you are getting closer to the truth concerning the "metamorphorsis" of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Just one more step or two and you will be there.

The debate was long and sometimes heated. I will not engage in anymore debates. They seem to never be productive.

Originally Posted by mfblume

After considering Divine Flesh doctrine for a while, having heard their self-proclaimed strong points in argument, I realized the key to their error.

Their big verse of grounds in their minds is as follows:



Since, they say, the verse mentions the ORIGIN of Adam's body being the earth, then they reason that the reference to the Lord being "from heaven" means that His body was originated in heaven in the incarnation. But that is absolutely wrong. That is not what the verse is saying. When it speaks of Christ's body being from "heaven", it is not referring to the incarnation, but rather from THE POINT OF RESURRECTION ALONE.

The chapter is all about death and physical resurrection. Christ's physical resurrection is the firstfruits, or first of identicals to come, of the resurrection. Whatever the nature of His body in resurrection is to be the same identical "change" from mortal to immortal that our bodies shall experience in the future "rapture". With Christ's resurrection in mind, Paul refers to that point of "change" when he says Christ's body is "from heaven." He spoke of the resurrected Body of Christ.

Paul used the same sense of understanding when referring to our physical resurrections to come! He speaks of our future spiritual body, altered from the mortal bodies we presently possess, in a manner that says OUR BODIES WILL BE FROM HEAVEN one day.



Christ's body before the cross, that was the incarnation of God, was no more from Heaven than our bodies presently are. But when He resurrected, His body AT THAT POINT OF RESURRECTION is said to be FROM HEAVEN, just as our future CHANGED body will be "from heaven". Right now, my body is from the earth. But when it changes, Paul said my body will be "from heaven".

Our present mortal bodies, from the earth, are to be "changed", or altered. Presently, they are mortal. But THIS MORTAL SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY. That is, the MORTAL characteristics of our present bodies will CHANGE or ALTER to be IMMORTAL characteristics. The death factors in our flesh will be swallowed up in victory in that change. And it is at that point that our bodies can be said to be "from heaven" just as Christ's present body is "from heaven".

Christ's body used to be from earth as our bodies presently are from earth. But His body was changed and because the POWER OF HEAVEN changed it, it is now said to be FROM HEAVEN, and not of the earth.

Because 1 Cor 15 is speaking about Christ's resurrected body in order to help us understand how our bodies shall be changed, Paul was talking about Christ's PRESENT BODY since the resurrection when he said it was "from heaven". He was not talking about the body that came from Mary's womb, but the immortal body from the tomb.

So, the whole idea that 1 Cor 15 says that Christ is from Heaven, in contrast to Adam from the earth, does not support "divine flesh" teaching whatsoever. It's not that our flesh will be changed into heavenly MATERIAL as Christ's flesh came from Mary's womb with heavenly material, but rather Christ's earthly flesh was changed into heavenly flesh just as our earthly flesh will change into heavenly flesh. Both are brought about BY RESURRECTION HEAVENLY POWER. That is why they are BOTH said to be "from heaven".

Put that in the Pentecostal Herald and print it!

Bro Mike, I have always embraced the views you express, and consider Paul's remarks concerning this issue to represent a further validation of the words found recorded in Romans 8:16-23. Just as our Lord's BODILY resurrection from the dead depicted the "means" through He was "glorified" by the attaining of a HEAVENLY body, then we who also have resident within our physical EARTHY bodies the very same Spirit which dwelt without measure in our Lord's physical body, shall experience a similar REDEMPTION at our resurrection from the dead.

Thank you for expounding upon this principle which seems to have become lost among the variety of erroneous carnal-minded concepts, theories, and suppositions which so dominate the thinking of many in our day.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

This is good brother Blume.

This truth that you have now embraced places you within reach of my position that you debated against for about two years on the GNC under two different subject threads there.

Congratulations. But, if you will look in the archives there, you will see that this point is, along with another point or two are the ideas that I unsuccessfully attempted to convey there.

Anyway, you are getting closer to the truth concerning the "metamorphorsis" of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Just one more step or two and you will be there.

The debate was long and sometimes heated. I will not engage in anymore debates. They seem to never be productive.

I must not have successfully related my thoughts back then, since I have not changed any thoughts in the last 30 years concerning the resurrection of our bodies. I have always believed the details of the resurrection of Christ and our bodies in this way. I only recently noticed that the issue of "THE LORD FROM HEAVEN" was not talking about His body from Mary but since the resurrection. Other than that, nothing in my belief about resurrection has changed whatsoever.

Thanks, anyway.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by PaPaDon

Bro Mike, I have always embraced the views you express, and consider Paul's remarks concerning this issue to represent a further validation of the words found recorded in Romans 8:16-23. Just as our Lord's BODILY resurrection from the dead depicted the "means" through He was "glorified" by the attaining of a HEAVENLY body, then we who also have resident within our physical EARTHY bodies the very same Spirit which dwelt without measure in our Lord's physical body, shall experience a similar REDEMPTION at our resurrection from the dead.

Amen. The reedemption of our bodies does not mean the cross did not fully redeem us, spirit, soul and body, but has to do with the idea that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. So our bodies will CHANGE, and THAT CHANGE will produce what WILL inherit the Kingdom!

Thank you for expounding upon this principle which seems to have become lost among the variety of erroneous carnal-minded concepts, theories, and suppositions which so dominate the thinking of many in our day.

And thank-you, and God bless!

[Scott Hutchinson]

If Jesus's flesh was divine ,then how could Christ have been able to give up the ghost ?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. The reedemption of our bodies does not mean the cross did not fully redeem us, spirit, soul and body, but has to do with the idea that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. So our bodies will CHANGE, and THAT CHANGE will produce what WILL inherit the Kingdom!

Amen!