BHO is a Muslim?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You must be joking, Bratti.

Maybe Republicans should wisen up and woo Muslims to their party.

http://muslimrepublicans.net/

You really need to make some Muslim friends, PO. Go find some and invite them for tea.

It's easier to think badly of people from a distance.

Being Muslim isn't what bothers me about Obama. IF he's Muslim and he's hiding it, THAT would be more cause to dislike him than actually being a Muslim.

So...either he's the most successful sleeper cell ever created, OR he's not a Muslim--because he certainly doesn't practice basic tenets of the faith. That's my take, anyway.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Maybe Republicans should wisen up and woo Muslims to their party.

http://muslimrepublicans.net/

You really need to make some Muslim friends, PO. Go find some and invite them for tea.

It's easier to think badly of people from a distance.

Being Muslim isn't what bothers me about Obama. IF he's Muslim and he's hiding it, THAT would be more cause to dislike him than actually being a Muslim.

So...either he's the most successful sleeper cell ever created, OR he's not a Muslim--because he certainly doesn't practice basic tenets of the faith. That's my take, anyway.

Of course I would, as a Christian, be kind to those that I meet. Not only because it's my duty, but because I have a profound awareness of the power of the Holy Ghost and the love of Jesus Christ in forgiveness, renewal, regeneration and restoration.

It is our responsibility to emulate Jesus Christ by our behaviour. That is a no-brainer.

In the midst of that, the Word tells us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I am very well aware of the Islamic term, “Al-taqiyya". It means "dissimulation".

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. A Muslim can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved and even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate someone on his journey.

Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. They will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Now, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Koran and are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. Working with a religion where it is permissible to lie is a very touchy and dangerous issue.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sam

I didn't say "BHO is a Muslim"
I asked "BHO a Muslim?" based on this YouTube video of a series of sound bites strung together. This was for discussion purposes but some would call it "trolling."

BHO is not a muslim. He does have a crazy ex-pastor though.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Of course I would, as a Christian, be kind to those that I meet. Not only because it's my duty, but because I have a profound awareness of the power of the Holy Ghost and the love of Jesus Christ in forgiveness, renewal, regeneration and restoration.

It is our responsibility to emulate Jesus Christ by our behaviour. That is a no-brainer.

In the midst of that, the Word tells us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I am very well aware of the Islamic term, “Al-taqiyya". It means "dissimulation".

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. A Muslim can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved and even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate someone on his journey.

Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. They will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Now, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Koran and are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. Working with a religion where it is permissible to lie is a very touchy and dangerous issue.

So what are we discussing again? Islam? Or whether Obama is a Muslim?

I never said Islam was a great religion. LOL!!!!

Like I said, it would bother me MORE if Obama were a Muslim and lied about it, because people hide things for a reason. If he were a Muslim openly, I would be less concerned. (about his religion)

Let's say the conspiracies are true, and Obama lied about being a Muslim for one of the permissible reasons--THAT would be disturbing. I don't really think you're getting what I'm saying...I don't really CARE whether or not Obama is a Muslim, but I DO care if he's dishonest about his religion. IF he lied in a religiously permissible way, then that is ALSO disturbing since those sorts of lies are the exception, not the rule. Islam generally does NOT permit lying, except for certain circumstances.

To be fair, though, lying is condemned in the Bible, but seemingly condoned in practice in a couple of instances. (Such as Rahab hiding the spies or Jael luring Sisera to his death.) Deceit for a greater good doesn't seem to be condemned.

Obama is not a practicing Muslim, so if he's a Muslim, he's in hiding and lying about it. Why?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by jfrog

BHO is not a muslim. He does have a crazy ex-pastor though.

Yep! And that affiliation is way more disturbing. I'm confused as to the lack of attention on that particular long term association. Republicans would have been much better off focusing on that during the elections than focusing on him being a closet Muslim or not being a true U.S. citizen.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

So what are we discussing again? Islam? Or whether Obama is a Muslim?

I never said Islam was a great religion. LOL!!!!

Like I said, it would bother me MORE if Obama were a Muslim and lied about it, because people hide things for a reason. If he were a Muslim openly, I would be less concerned. (about his religion)

Let's say the conspiracies are true, and Obama lied about being a Muslim for one of the permissible reasons--THAT would be disturbing. I don't really think you're getting what I'm saying...I don't really CARE whether or not Obama is a Muslim, but I DO care if he's dishonest about his religion. IF he lied in a religiously permissible way, then that is ALSO disturbing since those sorts of lies are the exception, not the rule. Islam generally does NOT permit lying, except for certain circumstances.

To be fair, though, lying is condemned in the Bible, but seemingly condoned in practice in a couple of instances. (Such as Rahab hiding the spies or Jael luring Sisera to his death.) Deceit for a greater good doesn't seem to be condemned.

Obama is not a practicing Muslim, so if he's a Muslim, he's in hiding and lying about it. Why?

Uh, you must have missed reading my thread. LOL! Does "Al-taqiyya" ring a bell?

Everything else you said is

I can't place my hand on a Bible and say - "YES, Obama is a Muslim." I don't know what he is - and that's the problem. He is surrounded with Communists and Muslims - so I don't know.

But, really, my post was about the Islamic faith in general. When Saudi Arabia steps up and denounces Sharia Law, I will believe they are not behind "terrorism" and "jihad".

See my post: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=103

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yep! And that affiliation is way more disturbing. I'm confused as to the lack of attention on that particular long term association. Republicans would have been much better off focusing on that during the elections than focusing on him being a closet Muslim or not being a true U.S. citizen.

We would do better, as a party, to focus on the principles of policy and not people and their personalities. Leave that to the bloggers - like us. LOL!

I say "we" loosely because I haven't officially changed my voting status from a Republican to an Independent. That is only because I haven't dropped by the courthouse yet!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I don't case if he is a muslim. Constitution:

...
So what if is he is a muslim or a cultural christian who leans islam-ward? big deal

I care about the fact that he is a communist. THAT bothers me....

You wouldn't know a Communist if it bit you. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Of course I would, as a Christian, be kind to those that I meet. Not only because it's my duty, but because I have a profound awareness of the power of the Holy Ghost and the love of Jesus Christ in forgiveness, renewal, regeneration and restoration.

It is our responsibility to emulate Jesus Christ by our behaviour. That is a no-brainer.

In the midst of that, the Word tells us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I am very well aware of the Islamic term, “Al-taqiyya". It means "dissimulation".

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. A Muslim can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved and even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate someone on his journey.

Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. They will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Now, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Koran and are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. Working with a religion where it is permissible to lie is a very touchy and dangerous issue.

So, would you agree that it's a grevious sin for a Christian to lie about a politician they don't like?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yep! And that affiliation is way more disturbing. I'm confused as to the lack of attention on that particular long term association. Republicans would have been much better off focusing on that during the elections than focusing on him being a closet Muslim or not being a true U.S. citizen.

I think after they had claimed he was a muslim and that he wasn't a U.S. citizen... that claim kind of made it sound like they were just bending over backwards to try to find anything wrong about him. And in Obama's defesne he did distance himself from that man. Maybe he shouldn't have been involved with him to start with, so maybe the distance was a political ploy. Or maybe the situation was far more complicated and Obama alreadly didn't agree with alot of what that men said, but felt some sense of loyalty because of their ties when Obama was a community organizer or whatever that job was.