Matt Chandler, Jesus Wants the Rose - Page 2

Irreligious · #11 09-02-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

You should reread the posts. No one is arguing.

I don't think I need to re-read anything. As an AFF veteran, I think you know how easily this will/can turn into an argument over Calvinism and analyzing the HECK out of this minister. If this thread develops at all, it'll get there. I'll betcha 5 dollars!

Someone's already talking about judging and seemingly missing the entire point of the video. And without any provocation, someone....and I believe that would be you....brought into the discussion that the minister is a Calvinist, which has nothing to do with the video.

Fiyahstarter · #12 09-02-2009, 10:07 AM

How simple it is! Great message! THE message.

How has the Gospel gotten so convoluted?

Irreligious · #13 09-02-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

How simple it is! Great message! THE message.

How has the Gospel gotten so convoluted?

Isn't that the truth!!! It's ALL very simple!

MrsMcD · #14 09-02-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

How simple it is! Great message! THE message.

How has the Gospel gotten so convoluted?

Exactly!

mizpeh · #15 09-02-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Irreligious

I don't think I need to re-read anything. As an AFF veteran, I think you know how easily this will/can turn into an argument over Calvinism and analyzing the HECK out of this minister. If this thread develops at all, it'll get there. I'll betcha 5 dollars!

Someone's already talking about judging and seemingly missing the entire point of the video. And without any provocation, someone....and I believe that would be you....brought into the discussion that the minister is a Calvinist, which has nothing to do with the video.

My judgement is that the TULIP leads to fatalism. My judgement of this minister's message is something totally different. There's is nothing wrong with analyzing and judging this minister's message and comparing it to the word of God.

Now if I was to go on about his mannerisms, or his clothing, or his voice, or if I were to even ascribe ulterior motives to his message, then you would might be able to accuse me of something.

I liked his message and thought Chandlers' JUDGEMENT of the minister he was JUDGING was correct!!

deltaguitar · #16 09-02-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

My judgement is that the TULIP leads to fatalism. My judgement of this minister's message is something totally different. There's is nothing wrong with analyzing and judging this minister's message and comparing it to the word of God.

Now if I was to go on about his mannerisms, or his clothing, or his voice, or if I were to even ascribe ulterior motives to his message, then you would might be able to accuse me of something.

I liked his message and thought Chandlers' JUDGEMENT of the minister he was JUDGING was correct!!

TULIP is trying to understand what happens in God's work in our salvation.

Do you not believe in total depravity?

Not trying to turn this into a Calvinism thread but which of the five points do you disagree with. Maybe some teachers have made it sound fatalistic but if putting all your faith and trust in God sounds fatalistic then how do we get around that.

mizpeh · #17 09-02-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

TULIP is trying to understand what happens in God's work in our salvation.

Do you not believe in total depravity?

Not trying to turn this into a Calvinism thread but which of the five points do you disagree with. Maybe some teachers have made it sound fatalistic but if putting all your faith and trust in God sounds fatalistic then how do we get around that.

You might want to start another thread.

To begin with I disagree with the doctrine of Original Sin. TULIP hinges on the veracity of the doctrine of Original Sin.

deltaguitar · #18 09-02-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

You might want to start another thread.

To begin with I disagree with the doctrine of Original Sin. TULIP hinges on the veracity of the doctrine of Original Sin.

So you don't believe we are all born as sinners? What is the point of grace, salvation, the cross or any of it?

mizpeh · #19 09-02-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

So you don't believe we are all born as sinners? What is the point of grace, salvation, the cross or any of it?

We all sin but we aren't born guilty of Adam's sin. Infant baptism was required at one time because of the doctrine of original sin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/con...sion7/HS7d.wmv

deltaguitar · #20 09-02-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

We all sin but we aren't born guilty of Adam's sin. Infant baptism was required at one time because of the doctrine of original sin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Well, I think you are dealing with semantics here.

The bible is very clear that we are born sinners and that is the basis of total depravity.

You can't just throw out good doctrine because you don't like the way something is worded. We are guilty and we are born in sin. If we aren't then theoretically we could save ourselves.