Because you said we need someone like the man Thomas Jefferson who had affairs not only in the US but abroad.
No... I said we need someone like Thomas Jefferson and then provided quotes pertaining to what I was talking about.
I made no mention of anyones fidelity or lack thereof.
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The problem is, because some of his quotes were what we believe , we tend to over look the whole of the man.
When I look for someone to run this secular government... it doesn't do me any good to have someone who is faithful to his wife if he is unfaithful to the electorate.
If he is unfaithful to his wife then all involved in that contract need to rise up and make a stand.
If he is unfaithful to the constitution then all involved in that contract need to rise up.
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His quotes do not change who he really was.
And... on the flip side. Who he really was does not change the quotes or the principles they represent.
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Our founding fathers were not the moral men that we make them out to be.
I did not nominate any of them for Messiah or Pope or pastor of the church down the street.
So... your basic point is... what?
No one suggested anything about their morality but you. I was talking about their political position.
No... I said we need someone like Thomas Jefferson and then provided quotes pertaining to what I was talking about.
I made no mention of anyones fidelity or lack thereof.
When I look for someone to run this secular government... it doesn't do me any good to have someone who is faithful to his wife if he is unfaithful to the electorate.
If he is unfaithful to his wife then all involved in that contract need to rise up and make a stand.
If he is unfaithful to the constitution then all involved in that contract need to rise up.
And... on the flip side. Who he really was does not change the quotes or the principles they represent.
I did not nominate any of them for Messiah or Pope or pastor of the church down the street.
So... your basic point is... what?
No one suggested anything about their morality but you. I was talking about their political position.
So having said all of the above it seems to me it doesn't matter to you if a President has the morals of an alley cat as long as you agree with him politically.
So having said all of the above it seems to me it doesn't matter to you if a President has the morals of an alley cat as long as you agree with him politically.
Does a good "moral" man equal a good President?
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No... I said we need someone like Thomas Jefferson and then provided quotes pertaining to what I was talking about.
I made no mention of anyones fidelity or lack thereof.
When I look for someone to run this secular government... it doesn't do me any good to have someone who is faithful to his wife if he is unfaithful to the electorate.
If he is unfaithful to his wife then all involved in that contract need to rise up and make a stand.
If he is unfaithful to the constitution then all involved in that contract need to rise up.
And... on the flip side. Who he really was does not change the quotes or the principles they represent.
I did not nominate any of them for Messiah or Pope or pastor of the church down the street.
So... your basic point is... what?
No one suggested anything about their morality but you. I was talking about their political position.
President Bush said it very well. He had a little speech before the party primaries. The reporters tried to pin him down and push him to tell his preference.
he not only didn't name a preference but made several points on character.
Character matters. Jefferson mentions character issues.
Biden:
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a ...
Where is the CHARACTER????
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
I care a lot less about "moral conduct" than I do about tyranny and oppression.
Yes I agree 100% with Jefferson's ideas of government and freedom. Do I care if he liked a little hanky panky? Not a bit.
I cared about Bill Clinton being a traitor and selling us to communist China. Didn't care at all about his sideline activities with Ms Lewinsky.
I care about Obama being a communist tyrant, a cheap thug who has pulled the wool over most folks eyes. if he himself is getting some action on the side... so what? it isn't like he is a pastor. In fact the busier he stays on that front the less time he has to mess with we the people.
I think if Thomas was around he would be dropping words like "Revolution".
Barry can put his greasy little hands wherever he wants as long as they aren't in my Guns, paycheck and freedoms.
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I care a lot less about "moral conduct" than I do about tyranny and oppression.
Yes I agree 100% with Jefferson's ideas of government and freedom. Do I care if he liked a little hanky panky? Not a bit.
I cared about Bill Clinton being a traitor and selling us to communist China. Didn't care a bit about his sideline activities with Ms Lewinsky.
I care about Obama being a communist tyrant, a cheap thug who has pulled the wool over most folks eyes. if he himself is getting some action on the side... so what? it isn't like he is a pastor.
I think if Thomas was around he would be dropping words like "Revolution".
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Two veterans of investigations into Communist influence on the U.S. political process are holding a briefing on Capitol Hill on Thursday to release two new explosive reports that allege that Barack Obama had ties with extreme anti-American elements, including agents of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA. The reports will shed important new light on Barack Obama's mysterious past and rise to power.
"Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection" a 36-page report by Cliff Kincaid, and "Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection" a 44-page report by by Herbert Romerstein, and will be released at a Briefing on Thursday, May 22, at 2 p.m. on Capitol Hill at 201 F St., NE, Washington, D.C. The reports feature historical, congressional and archival material about the existence of communist networks targeting U.S. national security.
The major points in the reports allege:
Obama has been in the middle of two international communist networks – one in Hawaii and one in Chicago.
The Hawaii network included communists Frank Marshall Davis, who was Obama’s personal mentor; actor/singer Paul Robeson; and labor leader Harry Bridges. The network was judged a security threat to the United States and the subject of a congressional hearing on the “Scope of Soviet Activity in the United States
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered...'
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Like the Dems use taxes for abortion.
No not at all. I only pointed out the moral issue because the republicans harp about it all the time. Bill has been out of office for 8 1/2 years now and all you hear from R's "what a scumbag"
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered...'
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Like the Dems use taxes for abortion.
I think we have to be careful throwing out that first quote. That is a knife that cuts both ways. People on the left can use that argument to argue against Christianity in schools, the teaching of creation, the tax benefits of churches and contributers, and a host of other things that a great number of people disbelieve today.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
I think we have to be careful throwing out that first quote. That is a knife that cuts both ways. People on the left can use that argument to argue against Christianity in schools, the teaching of creation, the tax benefits of churches and contributers, and a host of other things that a great number of people disbelieve today.
Today, the first threat to a church is to drag in the IRS and tax them..Revoke a non profit status.
I actually see churches overlaoded with food charity work and they can always do a meal for less than the USDA charges.
I also have a problem with the current drive to disallow charitable contribution deductions.
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