Maybe it's Stockholm Syndrome, Papabear?

[Kim Komando]

By the way, Scott -

My name is KIM KOMANDO
and I approve of this message.

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Is Patty Hurst wearing a skirt?

and i think she had a slit too! its the little foxes....

[Hoovie]

Reading this and thinking about my own wife... I have not been domineering as a husband regarding her dress (she is more conservative than I) Pastor has not dictated anything beyond her custom - she is perhaps a bit more conservative than pastor and others...

However, the identification thing is likely true. Everyone wants to belong, no matter who you are and what you are a part of.

I would suggest one reason ladies and some men are drawn to a conservative lifestyle which includes dress, is the lack of fruit they see in other groups. Placing restraint on ones life can be very rewarding if not done by a hierarchy, or done to gain favor with God. Quite often if one "frees" themselves from various disciplines they go further then they expected. This is true for many EXers.

Also the UPC identity and family kinship is very strong. I know a number that have left conservative circles to embrace what they saw as less restrictive - yet they speak openly of missing the social aspect of a fellowship such as the UPC.

[Kim Komando]

I agree Stephen. Again my post stated that this may be a reason for some - especially those in oppressive situations and even among those who are simply "followers" by nature. The element of group dynamics is very strong wherever people gather and want to be a part of the "in crowd"- whatever the flavor. A lot of this happens on a subconscious level, while some of it learned through conditioning, and it's always interesting to see how our defense mechanisms are put into action when we feel we are being "attacked".

The point is that often what we see as fervor, zeal and genuine heart-felt desire, or "being of fire for Jesus" may not necessarily 100% personal choice or self-generated, or the Spirit of God. We are very much social beings.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Group dynamics are indeed very, very strong.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Reading this and thinking about my own wife... I have not been domineering as a husband regarding her dress (she is more conservative than I) Pastor has not dictated anything beyond her custom - she is perhaps a bit more conservative than pastor and others...

However, the identification thing is likely true. Everyone wants to belong, no matter who you are and what you are a part of.

I would suggest one reason ladies and some men are drawn to a conservative lifestyle which includes dress, is the lack of fruit they see in other groups. Placing restraint on ones life can be very rewarding if not done by a hierarchy, or done to gain favor with God. Quite often if one "frees" themselves from various disciplines they go further then they expected. This is true for many EXers.

Also the UPC identity and family kinship is very strong. I know a number that have left conservative circles to embrace what they saw as less restrictive - yet they speak openly of missing the social aspect of a fellowship such as the UPC.

Stephen, you mean you don't come storming into the house daily screaming "Wife! Where's my lunch! Where's my dinner! Attend to me NOW!"?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Stephen, you mean you don't come storming into the house daily screaming "Wife! Where's my lunch! Where's my dinner! Attend to me NOW!"?

He did on the show!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

He did on the show!

I just assumed (Felix Unger not withstanding) that they edited the offending scenes out.

[Hoovie]

LOL! I only asked her to bake some pies... It was not my choice to keep her in the dark about visitors until the last minute - It was my choice to ask her to bake pies (Kristin would have done the same without me asking) two hrs before they got there. Hey, they were pretty good!

What a deal. All my friends at church said, "Hey! Whats the deal? We know you cook!"

The editors cut the part where I said I actually love cooking - but because of time constraints I rarely do anymore - us now being a one income family. Well, sort of. My wife is employed part-time in our home-based office.

BTW Hoover/Meeks Wife Swap aired again at the same time as MJ memorial service.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

She is sad because she knows one mistake, one broken standard, and its lake of fire. Why? "Because pastor says so", and "that's the way we have always done it."