Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


View Poll Results: How should the sisters dress?
Skirts and dresses ONLY 4 10.81%
Skirts outside, but pj pants and such are fine at home 4 10.81%
Pants are acceptable 14 37.84%
This is not important 15 40.54%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 06-22-2009, 01:13 PM
KWSS1976's Avatar
KWSS1976 KWSS1976 is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,982
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

I am sorry if the truth hurts Luke.....
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-22-2009, 01:17 PM
LUKE2447 LUKE2447 is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,730
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

Quote:
Originally Posted by KWSS1976 View Post
I am sorry if the truth hurts Luke.....
nothings hurting me.... Not sure why you think anything you said effects my beliefs.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-22-2009, 01:20 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

Is a skirt and blouse really OK? I mean, isn't that a bit too close to the way men dress, with pants and a shirt? Better safe than sorry, ladies: better stick with dresses.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-22-2009, 01:47 PM
MissBrattified's Avatar
MissBrattified MissBrattified is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,829
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

I think the context of Deuteronomy 22:5 deals with cross dressing, and of course an off shoot of that may be to deliberately look distinct from one another. However, as has been pointed out, there were times in history when men and women wore similar styles, so I think the main idea is that we aren't to try to pass ourselves off as the opposite gender. (e.g., cross dressing)

As for Paul talking about modest dress, what he said was, "...that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;" (I Tim. 2:9)

According to Strong's, "modest" means "orderly, decorous,...of good behavior", and "apparel" simply means "a deposit; costume; apparel."

I don't know of any other reference to modest apparel in the NT. In Peter it talks about how our adornment shouldn't be "that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, ...of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel."

In THAT verse, "apparel" means "a dress, apparel, cloke, clothes, garment, raimant, robe, vesture." It's a pretty generic term, referring to nearly any type of garment. PLUS, you can't interpret that verse to be speaking against women braiding their hair and wearing gold, and then turn around and say that it shows they SHOULD be wearing dresses. (If you choose to narrowly interpret apparel as "dress.")
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone


"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."

--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-22-2009, 02:24 PM
MomOfADramaQn MomOfADramaQn is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 404
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

I have always wondered why it is that when you bring up any other old testament law i.e. Sabbath, diet, etc - we are told that old testament laws do not apply to us today - but for some reason this one still applies - anyone know?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-22-2009, 02:27 PM
GrowingPains GrowingPains is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 873
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

All Scripture is profitable for instruction --

While I certainly don't believe Deut 22:5 is referring to pants, it is telling us what God likes/doesn't like. He appreciates gender distinction, and in the New Testament, we are exhorted toward modesty. If you can be modest in your britches, then wear them. If not, don't. Is there really more to this?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-22-2009, 02:29 PM
KWSS1976's Avatar
KWSS1976 KWSS1976 is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,982
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

Can you say pick and choose....LOL
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-22-2009, 02:30 PM
GrowingPains GrowingPains is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 873
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

Many who argue against pants, talk about the history of pants in our time. They claim (except for the Chinese) pants weren't worn on women until the Feminist Movement and the 1st and 2nd World Wars, where women wanted to escape their domestic roles. This is all true -- and shows them getting rid of their long gowns was a symbol of their equality to men. I find all that true. But, I'm just not sure it's enough groundwork to discourage saints not to wear pants in the church. Our culture today has no qualms about women in pants (although I did find it interesting the Hillary vs. Laura Bush saga about who wore pants more often equated with their femininity).
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-22-2009, 02:32 PM
GrowingPains GrowingPains is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 873
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

Quote:
Originally Posted by KWSS1976 View Post
Can you say pick and choose....LOL
There is picking and there is certainly choosing, though not arbitrary

If the law has been carried over into the NT writings, it's safe to say it still applies. If the law is moral (as opposed to ceremonial or civil), it's safe to say it still applies. More than anything though, the OT was a shadow of the real thing to come. So the OT tells us much about the character and nature of God, what our God likes and doesn't like. He's a very particular God, but we miss the point when we over-analyze on his particulars and miss his principles.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-22-2009, 02:36 PM
Pragmatist Pragmatist is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: West
Posts: 1,285
Re: Deuteronomy 22:5

I don't remember who, but I think someone researched and in that time as part of idol worship men and women would cross dress and commit adultery and that was the abomination (the idol worship and adultery), not the type of clothing.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Praxeas
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.