Am I God?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I know I never understood godhead theology when I first experienced Acts 2:38. I believe I was saved, though, since Acts 2:38 did not include taking a three year course on Godhead theology.

Bro. Blume,

I can relate to your post here. I was just a young 18 yr. old young lady
believing I was obeying the apostolic plan of salvation. After 51 yrs. I still
believe the Acts 2:38 plan, and have endeavored to grow in grace and in
the knowledge of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Blessings,

Falla39

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Falla39

By the same judgment we judge others will be the way we will be judged. We must not judge, lest we
be judged.

No offense intended.

Falla39

Yes, but don't forget the other scripture...you which are spiritual judge all things

[pastorrick1959]

good explanation flaa39..the bible states that god is not a man that he should lie nor the son of man that he should repent.. john 1;18 states that no man has seen god at anytime. did they see JESUS OF NAZ? yep. i am a heir of god just like JESUS OF NAZ. I SAY OF NAZ TO LET YOU KNOW WHO I AM SPEAKING OF BECAUSE GODS NAME IS JESUS. and joint heirs with JESUS CHRIST... also read cor 8;6. so many more. god was revealed in flesh not made flesh! i have god revealed in me but i sure aint god!

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

God was manifested IN the Son (body). God was in Christ. When the Father's
(Spirit's) plan for the son of man was finished,the Spirit raised him up to
where he was before he came to earth.

God searched for a man to make up the hedge and stand in the gap for the
land, that He should not destroy it, but He found none.

So Spirit came in a body (prepared) to do what man was not able or willing
to do. Then that Spirit drew the body up and sat it on the right hand of God.
I was kind of like my late pastor's "right hand " "woman" in that I worked
alongside him in the church he pastored. Some things he was not able to do.
There are some things a Spirit need a body to do. A spirit can't die. God still
works in bodies of men, and women today, by the Spirit. He's the Powerpack!
We are the means for the Power-pack to move around in. A spirit needs a
mouth,ears, eyes, hands, feet,to operate through. He's the BRAIN,THE HEAD.
We're the Body the Spirit works through on earth. Jesus was the body the
Spirit used as an example for us to follow.

If we have the Spirit of The Living God inside us, and we allow Him to lead
us, we can become His sons and daughters too. Our bodies are the temples
of the Holy Spirit. A body without the Spirit is dead, being alone.

Just some thoughts!!

Falla39

Re the bolded, the late pastor was my late father!

Falla39

[mfblume]

Bump for pastorrick,

Originally Posted by mfblume

You do believe the person of the Son of God is the person of God, though, right?

Have any thoughts on this verse?

Hebrews 1:8 KJV But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This indicates Son of God is considered God from the perspective of His person, as well as a contrast from God in the perspective of His manifestation as man.

I believe God was not made flesh either, but I still believe Jesus' person was God's person and not another like you and I are different in person from God.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Bump for pastorrick,



I believe God was not made flesh either, but I still believe Jesus' person was God's person and not another like you and I are different in person from God.

Blume,

While I don't always agree with you...I do have a lot of respect for you because your opinions, I believe, come from deep study of the Word and not just something you've heard some place.

On your post above share your explanation of John 1 especially how you see verse 1 and verse 14. One stating that the Word and God is the same and 14 stating that Word/God became flesh.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Blume,

While I don't always agree with you...I do have a lot of respect for you because your opinions, I believe, come from deep study of the Word and not just something you've heard some place.

On your post above share your explanation of John 1 especially how you see verse 1 and verse 14. One stating that the Word and God is the same and 14 stating that Word/God became flesh.

Hi,

John 1:14 says that the Word was made flesh, and then we read it "dwelt" among us. The Greek term DWELT clarifies what made flesh means. It literally means to TABERNACLE among us. So the flesh was the TABERNACLE, as Jesus called his body the temple He would raise in three days. We know God was not turned into the temple in the OT when He indwelt it. Same with the human body of Christ.

G4637
σκηνόω
skēnoō
Thayer Definition:
1) to fix one’s tabernacle, have one’s tabernacle, abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent), tabernacle
2) to dwell
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4636
Citing in TDNT: 7:385, 1040

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hi,

John 1:14 says that the Word was made flesh, and then we read it "dwelt" among us. The Greek term DWELT clarifies what made flesh means. It literally means to TABERNACLE among us. So the flesh was the TABERNACLE, as Jesus called his body the temple He would raise in three days. We know God was not turned into the temple in the OT when He indwelt it. Same with the human body of Christ.

G4637
σκηνόω
skēnoō
Thayer Definition:
1) to fix one’s tabernacle, have one’s tabernacle, abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent), tabernacle
2) to dwell
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4636
Citing in TDNT: 7:385, 1040

Okay, you've defined "dwelt" to clarify what "flesh" means by using the Greek word translated. However, if you use the same approach (the Greek) to find out what "flesh" means you get a totally different answer:

NT:4561
sarx (sarx); flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul [or spirit], or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred), or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties [physically or morally] and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such):

Then if we look at the words translated as "was made" we find that it is:

NT:1096
ginomai (ghin'-om-ahee); a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"- erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being):

I don't see how you can take the meaning of one word to extrapolate it to mean something without applying the same rules to the other words used.

You referenced the fact that in the Old Testament Temple that God did not "become" the temple. This is obviously true. But since the Old Testament is a "type" or a "foreshadow" of what is to come and this is a foreshadow of God's dealing with mankind but does not have specific reference to the coming Messiah.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Okay, you've defined "dwelt" to clarify what "flesh" means by using the Greek word translated. However, if you use the same approach (the Greek) to find out what "flesh" means you get a totally different answer:

NT:4561
sarx (sarx); flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul [or spirit], or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred), or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties [physically or morally] and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such):

Then if we look at the words translated as "was made" we find that it is:

NT:1096
ginomai (ghin'-om-ahee); a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"- erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being):

I don't see how you can take the meaning of one word to extrapolate it to mean something without applying the same rules to the other words used.

You referenced the fact that in the Old Testament Temple that God did not "become" the temple. This is obviously true. But since the Old Testament is a "type" or a "foreshadow" of what is to come and this is a foreshadow of God's dealing with mankind but does not have specific reference to the coming Messiah.

Brother, I think the note about what DWELT means is so plain to see that I simply am not arguing about it with you. It means TABERNACLED. Period.

But aside from that, your entire concept fails when we realize John wrote words long after Jesus had come and gone, saying:

1 John 4:12 KJV No man hath seen God at any time. ...

God is not flesh. He is Spirit. And Spirit does not have flesh and bones, said Jesus quite expressly. God did not die and God was not tempted since He cannot be tempted. And that is that, no matter how you slice it. The flesh was not God.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

...your entire concept fails when we realize John wrote words long after Jesus had come and gone, saying:

1 John 4:12 KJV No man hath seen God at any time. ...

God is not flesh. He is Spirit. And Spirit does not have flesh and bones, said Jesus quite expressly. God did not die and God was not tempted since He cannot be tempted. And that is that, no matter how you slice it. The flesh was not God.

You see, I agree with you that God is not flesh and that He is Spirit, but if we were to get into a Godhead debate then you would have to contradict yourself unless you hold to more of a trinity view.

Eph 3:9

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 1:15-16

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: