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Old 05-31-2009, 08:20 PM
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Re: 24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

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I do...but not necessarily "look way older" but created mature things. Example a tree. I don't think He created the earth with a bunch of seedlings laying around, I believe that He created adult trees.

while it is very obvious that Randy is well versed and understands scientific stuff I personally don't have confidence in their techniques, nor do I have confidence in their motives. Most scientists are atheists an have an agenda they are pursuing.
I believe that God could create an adult tree -just as I believe that He created an adult human. Two of them in fact.
But neither the tree's, or the humans, would have any false "history" of age. For instance, the tree's would not have rings that indicated periods of drought, forest fires, beetle infestations, etc.... In this same way, God would not have created a planet with meteor craters from meteor's that never actually hit or geological strata that shows various things happening at different ages -things that never too place. Or a nebula from a supernova that exists without there ever having been a star to go boom.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:45 AM
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Re: 24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

Randy: Your post #6 was pretty much how I was going to respond to gloryseeker.

There is no contradiction between the Bible and science which is really only observing and explaining natural phenomena.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:47 AM
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Re: 24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

I don't have all of the answers and the main thing to me is to believe in the biblical account of creation no matter what period of time these days were,but it is interesting and worth looking into.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:52 AM
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Randy: Your post #6 was pretty much how I was going to respond to gloryseeker.

There is no contradiction between the Bible and science which is really only observing and explaining natural phenomena.
The writer of Genesis might have at least changed the order a bit, if he'd written it today. The sun may have come before the plants, e.g.!
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Re: 24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

hmmm... I'd say 24 hour days, but the sun, or at least light, wasn't created til sometime that first day, so when did the first day start?

And I agree that there are 6000-7000 years of history since the fall of man, but there is no way to measure time before the fall of man. Man could have been walking in the garden for quite a while before the fall, even though the creation and the fall are only a couple chapters apart.

Which came first, the earth or the light? Gen 1:1 says that "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth," And then that the first day He created the light. But it would appear that there were already planets at this point. When was the earth created? The first day, God created light. So the earth may not have been created, but rather recreated in Genesis.

Either or both of the two theories wouldn't necessarily clash with science. I'm sure there are other possibilities as well. I do think that the earth and the universe are older than 6000 years.

I hope when we get to Heaven God lets us view events like creation, the Resurrection, and Pentecost!!!
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Old 06-01-2009, 12:07 PM
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And I agree that there are 6000-7000 years of history since the fall of man, but there is no way to measure time before the fall of man. Man could have been walking in the garden for quite a while before the fall, even though the creation and the fall are only a couple chapters apart.
Not sure about that...consider:

Genesis 5

1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

I think you can put a time limit on Adam before he fell. He had only lived 130 from his creation to Seth. Cain and Able were before Seth so guessing it seems like 80-100 would have been max in the garden.
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hmmm... I'd say 24 hour days, but the sun, or at least light, wasn't created til sometime that first day, so when did the first day start?

. . .
Seems like day-counting couldn't start until the fourth day.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
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Seems like day-counting couldn't start until the fourth day.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
I have a few espouse the idea that these days were actually the time it took Moses to receive and write these revelations down. I am not sure I agree with that, but the idea is out there. Granted, how long did it take Moses to receive the 10 Commandments? Seems to me that God could have given them in a minute or two.......
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Re: 24 Hrs.Days Or Not ?

This would be of interest here.
http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishbi...ation_time.htm
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