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02-13-2007, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Really? I'd like to see what you're talking about.........can you post an example? It's been a while since I read the manual, lol........
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It addresses saints concerning theaters, school activities, etc., in the back of the manual, where they list all the disapprovals. Now whether we can consider that legally binding or not.......
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02-13-2007, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown
It addresses saints concerning theaters, school activities, etc., in the back of the manual, where they list all the disapprovals. Now whether we can consider that legally binding or not.......
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I think that may be the point at issue here tho, if I remember correctly, the manual says things like "We disapprove of our members ....... etc.", and the question is "Who is a member?"
Is a member just a licensed minister, or is it a saint who sits on the pew in a UPC licensed minister pastored church?
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02-13-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
True............good point.
However, the organization can take action against a minister (member) for the actions of the members of his church. In other words, if a licensed minister pastors a church and allows his members to violate the AoF, he can be called before the district board and his beliefs questioned.
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..........which brings us back to the "No mans land" that is the UPCI. while we are in fact a ministers fellowship, there is that grey area that keeps poping up causing all the confusion....neither fish nor fowl.
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02-13-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I think that may be the point at issue here tho, if I remember correctly, the manual says things like "We disapprove of our members ....... etc.", and the question is "Who is a member?"
Is a member just a licensed minister, or is it a saint who sits on the pew in a UPC licensed minister pastored church?
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I do not remember the wording, and I don't carry my manual around with me (I'm such a sinner!  ), but it deals with dressing out for gym, so it is not talking about the preacher.
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02-13-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd
..........which brings us back to the "No mans land" that is the UPCI. while we are in fact a ministers fellowship, there is that grey area that keeps poping up causing all the confusion....neither fish nor fowl.
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Is it animal, vegetable, or mineral?
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02-13-2007, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I think that may be the point at issue here tho, if I remember correctly, the manual says things like "We disapprove of our members ....... etc.", and the question is "Who is a member?"
Is a member just a licensed minister, or is it a saint who sits on the pew in a UPC licensed minister pastored church?
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Well, I always thought a member was a saint and minister as well.
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02-13-2007, 03:49 PM
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Well, I always thought a member was a saint and minister as well.
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Just as I see it. However, the legal terminology is in question, i.e., can a saint who doesn't abide by the rules of the UPC be disciplined by the organization? The answer is "no", but a minister certainly can be disciplined.
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02-13-2007, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Just as I see it. However, the legal terminology is in question, i.e., can a saint who doesn't abide by the rules of the UPC be disciplined by the organization? The answer is "no", but a minister certainly can be disciplined.
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Gottcha...I agree here...the saint can be disciplined by the minister...the minister disciplined by the organization.
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02-13-2007, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CareyM
Gottcha...I agree here...the saint can be disciplined by the minister...the minister disciplined by the organization.
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So really, a DS can pass judgement on a saint through the local pastor, in a roundabout way.
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02-13-2007, 03:58 PM
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So really, a DS can pass judgement on a saint through the local pastor, in a roundabout way.
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I didn't consider this as I have not known of it happening. I really don't know...I suppose so.
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