Obama's Supreme Court pick...

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

President Obama is a bit more center than many folks want to admit.


It is a main tactic of the GOP specifically, to demonize those who do not fit with their ideology.

No doubt this was a strategic pick. By being appointed by GHWB and being a female Latino she fits the bill well. However Obama is no centrist. The subtle takeover of private industry and attempted expansion of presidential power, the control of capitalism through regulations, etc. marks him for what he is a a socialist, that is a social democrat not a Marxist.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

No doubt this was a strategic pick. By being appointed by GHWB and being a female Latino she fits the bill well. However Obama is no centrist. The subtle takeover of private industry and attempted expansion of presidential power, the control of capitalism through regulations, etc. marks him for what he is a a socialist, that is a social democrat not a Marxist.

GWB started this whole govt take over stuff when the economy started to crumble under his Presidency.

On this very board I decried his actions as SOCIALIST leaning.

However, it was brought to my attention that the governments INACTION is what prolonged The Great Depression in the first place!!!!

And I was one of the few Republicans I know criticizing GWB's actions as Socialist leaning.


So the richest people and the smartest economic advisors are stating that the economy is stabilizing, that the actions of the government is what is slowing things down from further destabilization, but Democratic President Obama gets no accolades for his actions and the wisdom of his advisors!!!


Nope, he's called names instead.


I get it! There isn't anything this Democrat can do right simply because he is a Democrat!


And Heaven forbid we acknowledge his efforts to include Republicans in his Administration and his efforts to reach out across the aisle to Republicans around the country-- his efforts to unite us, somehow, on some common ground.



NO!

President Obama is a tax-raising, fag-loving, baby-killing, economy-destroying, work-ethic depleting idiot who was only elected because he is Black and anything good that he does is either not really him or simply suspect just because he is Democrat and his middle name is Hussein!


There are folks on here that still think our President is not American!!!

Get real, get honest with yourselves!

President Obama is not the demon that Limbaugh and others and are trying to make him out to be!!!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

President Obama is a bit more center than many folks want to admit.


It is a main tactic of the GOP specifically, to demonize those who do not fit with their ideology.

Demonize? How about vehemently disagree? I strongly disagree with Obama's ideology, not just on a practical level, but on a moral level. I agree with the principles this country was founded on, and object to anyone who violates them, or even takes steps toward a direction of violation.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

GWB started this whole govt take over stuff when the economy started to crumble under his Presidency.

On this very board I decried his actions as SOCIALIST leaning.

However, it was brought to my attention that the governments INACTION is what prolonged The Great Depression in the first place!!!!

And I was one of the few Republicans I know criticizing GWB's actions as Socialist leaning.


So the richest people and the smartest economic advisors are stating that the economy is stabilizing, that the actions of the government is what is slowing things down from further destabilization, but Democratic President Obama gets no accolades for his actions and the wisdom of his advisors!!!


Nope, he's called names instead.


I get it! There isn't anything this Democrat can do right simply because he is a Democrat!


And Heaven forbid we acknowledge his efforts to include Republicans in his Administration and his efforts to reach out across the aisle to Republicans around the country-- his efforts to unite us, somehow, on some common ground.



NO!

President Obama is a tax-raising, fag-loving, baby-killing, economy-destroying, work-ethic depleting idiot who was only elected because he is Black and anything good that he does is either not really him or simply suspect just because he is Democrat and his middle name is Hussein!


There are folks on here that still think our President is not American!!!

Get real, get honest with yourselves!

President Obama is not the demon that Limbaugh and others and are trying to make him out to be!!!

Your memory does not serve you well. Many folks criticized GWB for his bailouts HOWEVER, bailouts and takeovers are not the same thing.

Though there may be some that say government inaction was the reason for the depression, the policies that BHO embraces are also noted as having prolonged and deepened the depression. I will give him credit for not releasing the pictures, and even if he dresses it up differently he is slowly having to accept the fact that Bush was right on Gitmo, and the tribunals that he is choosing to keep. See headlines in the Washington Examiner " Obama following Bush lead on Terrorism."

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

GWB started this whole govt take over stuff when the economy started to crumble under his Presidency.

On this very board I decried his actions as SOCIALIST leaning.

However, it was brought to my attention that the governments INACTION is what prolonged The Great Depression in the first place!!!!

And I was one of the few Republicans I know criticizing GWB's actions as Socialist leaning.

Really? I know of a lot of Republicans who were dissatisfied with GWB.

So the richest people and the smartest economic advisors are stating that the economy is stabilizing, that the actions of the government is what is slowing things down from further destabilization, but Democratic President Obama gets no accolades for his actions and the wisdom of his advisors!!!


Nope, he's called names instead.

Hmmm. The economy has stabilized? Tell that to my husband, who was laid off from a good, steady job on April 13, and the other folks who made up 40% of the work force in the company--who were also laid off. Tell that to all the car dealership owners who are getting the shaft right now. Tell that to all those currently on unemployment. Stabilized???? Pfffffft. Please.

I get it! There isn't anything this Democrat can do right simply because he is a Democrat!

I am perfectly willing to acknowledge it if Obama makes a good choice. So far, IMO, he's just making a mess into a bigger mess.

And Heaven forbid we acknowledge his efforts to include Republicans in his Administration and his efforts to reach out across the aisle to Republicans around the country-- his efforts to unite us, somehow, on some common ground.

NO!

President Obama is a tax-raising, fag-loving, baby-killing, economy-destroying, work-ethic depleting idiot who was only elected because he is Black and anything good that he does is either not really him or simply suspect just because he is Democrat and his middle name is Hussein!

He is raising taxes, he does support abortion (actively, not just passively), he is making a bad economy even worse, and he doesn't seem to give a rip about work ethics. Furthermore, he wants to socialize health care, which will be a BIG mistake.

There are folks on here that still think our President is not American!!!

Get real, get honest with yourselves!

President Obama is not the demon that Limbaugh and others and are trying to make him out to be!!!

Get real and get honest with yourself--just because things are going alright for you doesn't mean everyone else in America is having the same experience.

He's an American citizen, but he certainly doesn't live by the great principles our founding fathers put into place.

No, he's not a demon. He's just an unprincipled MAN.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Really? I know of a lot of Republicans who were dissatisfied with GWB.



Hmmm. The economy has stabilized? Tell that to my husband, who was laid off from a good, steady job on April 13, and the other folks who made up 40% of the work force in the company--who were also laid off. Tell that to all the car dealership owners who are getting the shaft right now. Tell that to all those currently on unemployment. Stabilized???? Pfffffft. Please.



I am perfectly willing to acknowledge it if Obama makes a good choice. So far, IMO, he's just making a mess into a bigger mess.



He is raising taxes, he does support abortion (actively, not just passively), he is making a bad economy even worse, and he doesn't seem to give a rip about work ethics. Furthermore, he wants to socialize health care, which will be a BIG mistake.



Get real and get honest with yourself--just because things are going alright for you doesn't mean everyone else in America is having the same experience.

He's an American citizen, but he certainly doesn't live by the great principles our founding fathers put into place.

No, he's not a demon. He's just an unprincipled MAN.

I say the economy is stabilizing because the experts are saying that there appears to be stabilization in the market now.



I just posted an article about a week or two ago that states that Warren Buffet agrees with the actions of the Obama Administration to fix the economy. If Warren Buffett words concerning economics aren't good, who's is?


It was established before his election that txes would have to be raised at some level to help correct the trillions of overspending done not so long ago.

He is not making a bad economy worse-- another "Limbaugh lie".

How does he seem to not give a rip about work ethics?


You and I both know that the government will NEVER completely take over healthcare. The Socialized Healthcare system accusation is another of a list of right-wing scare tactics used to demonize our President.


I can remember when it was considered unpatriotic to be so critical of our President during a time when our country is at war-- 2 wars at that!

Oh gee, I forgot-- that only counts if the President is Republican and if he mentions a hymn for affect during his public speeches!



Things are not going alright for me financially right this moment. But I will spare you my trials on this thread.


How is he not living (by this I guess you mean "governing") by the principles of our founding fathers
How is he unprincipled?

And how is your day going?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Your memory does not serve you well. Many folks criticized GWB for his bailouts HOWEVER, bailouts and takeovers are not the same thing.

Though there may be some that say government inaction was the reason for the depression, the policies that BHO embraces are also noted as having prolonged and deepened the depression. I will give him credit for not releasing the pictures, and even if he dresses it up differently he is slowly having to accept the fact that Bush was right on Gitmo, and the tribunals that he is choosing to keep. See headlines in the Washington Examiner " Obama following Bush lead on Terrorism."

We are discussing grapes and raisins, not apples and oranges.

I think from the beginning there were noted similarities between Bush and Obama on a few topics, terrorism being one of them.

I have seen articles that delineate that not so clear differences between the 2 of them.

Let's not forget that President Obama has been compared to President Reagan on more than a couple occasions as well.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

We are discussing grapes and raisins, not apples and oranges.

I think from the beginning there were noted similarities between Bush and Obama on a few topics, terrorism being one of them.

I have seen articles that delineate that not so clear differences between the 2 of them.

Let's not forget that President Obama has been compared to President Reagan on more than a couple occasions as well.

The reality is Obama is being forced to realize Bush was right and the nonsense he spewed to get elected was deadp wrong, but he likes to pretend he is doing it different. But comparing Obama to Bush doesn't make him good. I disagreed with the Bush camp on spending. They tried to prove they could outspend a Democrat, Obama showed them they were wrong.

Obama and Reagan? One thought the worse thing you can hear is I am from the government and I am here to help, the other thinks that the statement is the answer to every problem.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

The reality is Obama is being forced to realize Bush was right and the nonsense he spewed to get elected was deadp wrong, but he likes to pretend he is doing it different. But comparing Obama to Bush doesn't make him good. I disagreed with the Bush camp on spending. They tried to prove they could outspend a Democrat, Obama showed them they were wrong.

Obama and Reagan? One thought the worse thing you can hear is I am from the government and I am here to help, the other thinks that the statement is the answer to every problem.

Man, just google "Obama" and "Reagan" and you will see comparisons were being made months ago.



My comparing Obama to Bush is to draw attention to the fact that REPUBLICANS who are much more morally upright than their Demoncrat counterparts are not being so morally upright when they demonize our Democrat President.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by JermynDavidson

...And how is your day going?

My day is going fine...how about yours?

I'm sorry for making an assumption about your financial status.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I say the economy is stabilizing because the experts are saying that there appears to be stabilization in the market now.

In the state of Oklahoma, unemployment rates steadily dropped during Bush's last term, and spiked almost as soon as Obama took office in Jan. 2009.

Nationwide, unemployment rates (as of April 2009) are 8.6%, with no similar statistic since 1992, and that being the highest unemployment rate since 1983.

In all fairness, unemployment was much lower during Clinton's administration than during the Bush administration. However, that could be attributed to 9/11, rather than the actual administration, and the dates do coincide with 9/11 rather than when Bush took office.

Unemployment isn't the only factor, but it's the only one I have time to address right now.

I just posted an article about a week or two ago that states that Warren Buffet agrees with the actions of the Obama Administration to fix the economy. If Warren Buffett words concerning economics aren't good, who's is?

Buffet didn't offer an overly positive assessment.

Here's one quote:

"The current efforts to help revive the economy are likely to produce inflation that could be worse than what the country suffered in the late 1970s, Buffett said."

(Article)

He's optimistic long-term, but he is not stating that our economy is presently positive, or even presently recovering. In fact, he stated that it will get worse before it gets better.

It was established before his election that taxes would have to be raised at some level to help correct the trillions of overspending done not so long ago.

So he then turns around and spends even more?

He is not making a bad economy worse-- another "Limbaugh lie".

I hate to disappoint your stereotype, but I don't get my political views from Rush Limbaugh. I agree with him often, and sometimes I don't. About the same amount of the time I agree with Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage and Ann Coulter. (With MS and Ann being my favorites!)

How does he seem to not give a rip about work ethics?

By rewarding people who don't work with income and benefits as if they do. I'm fine with contributing support to the elderly, and those who aren't able bodied. I am not fine with rewarding lazy people with free income.

The work ethic is simple--we teach it to our children--if you don't work, you don't eat. And when you work hard for something, you appreciate what you have earned. The work ethic is a character builder. It breeds strong, independent people.

You and I both know that the government will NEVER completely take over healthcare. The Socialized Healthcare system accusation is another of a list of right-wing scare tactics used to demonize our President.

I don't know that, actually. And I base my concerns on policies and legislation that the President has espoused for the future, or that which he has supported in the past. Whether there are enough dissidents to thwart such a move remains to be seen. I'm not so sure, with the current balance in Congress.

I can remember when it was considered unpatriotic to be so critical of our President during a time when our country is at war-- 2 wars at that!

It was? That didn't stop a single liberal from beating Bush into the ground, did it?

Oh gee, I forgot-- that only counts if the President is Republican and if he mentions a hymn for affect during his public speeches!...

How is he not living (by this I guess you mean "governing") by the principles of our founding fathers

How is he unprincipled?

I'm not sure there is much difference between the principles a man lives by and the principles by which he governs. I would imagine there would at least be some similarities, reflective of his character.

The list is too long for this thread's scope, and I need to make lunch for Hannah and me.