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05-04-2009, 10:03 AM
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crakjak
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith
I have always felt scripture doesn't need help, let it stand alone. This goes very every doctrine.
McGrath felt it to be undermining and damaging to those of the Trinitarian Persuasion.
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Exactly, and the divinity of Jesus.
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05-04-2009, 01:19 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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You are correct Erasmus did not find it in his Greek manuscripts, which simply read: "There are three that bear witness; the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three are one." He was then accused of tampering with the text in an attempt to eliminate the doctrine of the Trinity and to devalue it corollary, the doctrine of the full divinity of Christ. Under pressure he added it back in his next edition, after a Greek manuscript was produced with the verse in it, it of course was a fraud, but it gave Erasmus and out and he caved.
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I know Erasmus added it, but for this story you posted do you know where I can find an online source for it?
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05-04-2009, 01:23 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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05-04-2009, 01:28 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
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05-04-2009, 02:24 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
This is troubling in 2 ways,
This verse is a proof text for some on a view of God, that shouldn't be there.
Secondly, in our Bible we have 2 verses that are distinctly added to the written word, many have embraced them used them, having no clue that they are added, etc. This is very concerning.
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05-04-2009, 02:32 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
Or they know and just keep it hidden...LOL
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05-04-2009, 02:36 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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05-04-2009, 02:38 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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05-04-2009, 02:38 PM
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Re: ~Oh, My, The Father, Word and Spirit don't agr
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Or they know and just keep it hidden...LOL
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Most disturbing of all if true.
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05-04-2009, 02:41 PM
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