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Old 04-24-2009, 08:59 AM
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Re: Do YOU know the voice of God?

yes, I know you are not blaming me...I just see an dangerous crack in the foundation of many people lives and it will affect many...
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:35 AM
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Re: Do YOU know the voice of God?

Yea I know the voice of God I went under my house one time to get a rug and when I removed the rug I uncovered a Hornets nest God told me to run and so I obeyed and did..
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:07 AM
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Yea I know the voice of God I went under my house one time to get a rug and when I removed the rug I uncovered a Hornets nest God told me to run and so I obeyed and did..
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:15 PM
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Jesus said, MY sheep will know my voice...in the last few years I have noticed more than ever before so many people that say God told them to do something or go somewhere and before you know it GOD has changed his mind...
Have you folks seen a lot of that in your area?


If we had on the field everyone that GOD told to come to Brazil since I have been here we would almost be stepping on each otherīs toes...Either we have a lot of people who disobey God or a lot of people who do not know the voice of God.

I cannot imagine serving a God who could not make up His mind...
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You are right however the good hearted zeal ruins many people...think of what it does on the mission field...people arrive...foreigners...a strange people to start with...get up and tell how God called them...for sure no doubts...no nothing (not good English) and the first bump they are gone...the poor Brazilians are left to wonder What KIND of God calls people...what kind of people he choses...and what kind of preachers back people like this...

Something is wrong...We can preach standards all we want to BUT IF WE do not teach the people GOD`S VOICE...his ways we are poor leaders...

I know people are over zealous...however should we not set these people down and tell them they NEED to know the voice of the LORD? I am seeing people backed by preachers just because of their name or politics...
I guess I am am old cranky woman but some people harm a lot more than they help.
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yes, that is true...

I just surprizes me pastors fall for people that do not know the voice of God...it would seem that there would be some prophets among us...
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yes, I know you are not blaming me...I just see an dangerous crack in the foundation of many people lives and it will affect many...


Sis. Alvear,

I'm not trying to be offensive, but I am honestly curious.

Do you not think that when someone comes to a Pastor and tells him they have been called to missions, ministry or anything else; that the Pastor would wait to hear from God himself? Something along the lines of confirmation of that calling?

Might it be that people rely too much on what others say God is telling them, instead of learning to develop a relationship with God and recognizing His voice?

We are married to Christ, to me that's a personal relationship. I believe every adult knows that the key to a good relationship is communication. I have been married for 25 years, I've learned who my husband is through continuous communication, and because of that communication, after 25 years I know "his voice" even when he is silent. A look, a smile, sometimes just standing there, I know what he is thinking, because I know him. This has come from learning how to communicate and through that communication, recognizing what he is saying and his methods of "speaking" to me.

The same holds true in our relationship with God. We have to communicate daily with Him, in order to build our relationship to the point that we recognize His voice. Even when there is no one there to tell you "God said". If you have a healthy relationship and have learned to not just talk at God, but to communicate (prayer, fasting, and study of His Word) then you recognize His voice; even when it's that 'still small voice."

I cannot imagine serving a God who could not make up His mind...


Sister Alvear, IMHO, I don't believe we serve a wishy-washy God, I think it is more likely wishy-washy people serving God, who as you said, haven't learned to recognize His voice.


And for what it's worth, I do think these people on a mission field can cause more harm than good.


God Bless You, Sis. your burden for missions and God's people is inspiring and always evident in your writings.

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Old 04-24-2009, 01:17 PM
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Re: Do YOU know the voice of God?

My pastor watched me grow up...I always had a deep love for souls and a tremendous burden even as a young child for missions. I came to Brazil barely 18 years old WITH his permission. I came for a visit to see if this was what I really wanted...When I stepped off the plane on a cool windy day in June of 1968 a people walked into my heart...After a couple months I wrote my pastor and told him I had found the desire of my heart...

That was over 40 years ago...there have been lots of ups and downs...lots of mountains and valleys...but like the writer of old I too have found streams even in the hottest deserts.
No, dear one it has not always been easy...I have been hungry without food, slept in bus stations, walked long weary miles...I have wiped the tears from my eyes many a time...though the way grew blurry I knew the call was there so I pondered on...

The call of God is hard to describe however if it is there you will never be happy any other place other than fulfilling your call.

I am not young anymore…my motor has lots of miles on it…YET my spirit burns within me to go on…keep climbing….evangelize another city…go to another village…

I march to the drumbeat of missions…and know for all my failures and weaknesses He is STRONG and in HIS name battles are won and lives are forever changed.
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yes, there are some people that cause more harm than good on the mission field...
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yes, that is true...

I just surprizes me pastors fall for people that do not know the voice of God...it would seem that there would be some prophets among us...

Sister Alvear,

I hope you didn't misunderstand the first paragraph of my response.

My question in that first paragraph about Pastors and confirmation was in response to the above statement you posted. It was not directed at you or anyone else. I meant it as a general question.

Also, in case there was a misunderstanding on this other statement I made about wishy-washy people serving God. That wasn't directed at you or anyone else either. That statement was made in response to your statement about how you could not imagine serving a God who couldn't make up His mind.

I agree that when God calls someone and places a burden within them, that is a calling that doesn't disappear when things become difficult.

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Old 04-24-2009, 02:52 PM
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Re: Do YOU know the voice of God?

I think a person should choose a pastor with care...I donīt think a pastor has to be informed everytime we go to town...however in a major move we will need a wise pastor to help us.

I guess sometimes my opinions are a paradox...I believe 100% in pastors HOWEVER we must know the voice of God for ourselves.
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Re: Do YOU know the voice of God?

For example I have lived my whole adult life in Brazil. I do not believe people have to do that unless they are called but I am talking about people who appear and tell the people here of their great call and the next thing you know they are gone...and believe it or not suddenly they get called somewhere else and fail there too..and on and on goes the story.

As a leader I personally would not support someone that changes their mind every few days...
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Re: Do YOU know the voice of God?

I have watched this happen over and over again...I am not saying to be unmerciful to wishy washy people but I am saying some pastor somewhere needs to sit them down and explain to them God does not work like that.

Some people need some basic and bedrock teachings...
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