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Old 04-04-2009, 08:13 PM
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Timmy He is probably calling you to the Xavante Indians of Brazil....
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Timmy He is probably calling you to the Xavante Indians of Brazil....
Actually, I feel led to play Blackjack.
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Actually, I feel led to play Blackjack.
I donīt think you are listening...
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Ever hop on a train that was picking up speed? You do so because, hey! life is short and you like to go fast. Besides, it's a train for crying out loud. You can trust this "system."

But then you find out the engineer really has no idea if there is even track laid ahead. Is there a bridge over the chasm? "Trust God and don't be a weenie!"

Then as you hold on for dear life, the excitement that you used to love becomes a foreboding of doom. No one had bothered to think about tomorrow, because "the Bible says don't!" (Matthew 6:34 KJV - every other translation says "don't worry..." KJV says in essence, "don't think." Guess which translation has always been preferred?).

Anyway, back on "the train" we've got a white knuckle hold on the seat in front of us. No one has expressed any interest in planning and preparation. Any attempt to bring things back into a reasonable plan or project are derided and you are branded a "traitor" for suggesting we all take time out to think about what we're doing.

That's how you end up as part of a train wreck.
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Ever hop on a train that was picking up speed? You do so because, hey! life is short and you like to go fast. Besides, it's a train for crying out loud. You can trust this "system."

But then you find out the engineer really has no idea if there is even track laid ahead. Is there a bridge over the chasm? "Trust God and don't be a weenie!"

Then as you hold on for dear life, the excitement that you used to love becomes a foreboding of doom. No one had bothered to think about tomorrow, because "the Bible says don't!" (Matthew 6:34 KJV - every other translation says "don't worry..." KJV says in essence, "don't think." Guess which translation has always been preferred?).

Anyway, back on "the train" we've got a white knuckle hold on the seat in front of us. No one has expressed any interest in planning and preparation. Any attempt to bring things back into a reasonable plan or project are derided and you are branded a "traitor" for suggesting we all take time out to think about what we're doing.

That's how you end up as part of a train wreck.


very good...thanks
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What, don't you think God told this Pastor to make a movie, colonize space, etc.?
Well, I don't either. But you guys are Pentecostals. You believe that God speaks to people, personally, for instruction and guidance. What makes you so sure God didn't tell this Pastor to do some amazing things?

Did God tell Abraham to sacrifice his son? Did God tell Moses to speak to a rock? Has God ever told you to do something, or helped you with a decision? Maybe something that didn't make much sense to you at the time, but you trusted and obeyed anyway, and it turned out to be something wonderful? Or maybe it didn't. Guess it depends on whether you were right, that it was God talking to you.

I think you'll agree, sometimes people get it wrong. Maybe they just imagined it, and couldn't distinguish the random daydream from God's voice. I suspect that happens a lot! Even that audible voice we hear about so often can be unreliable. People hear voices sometimes, and they're not (always) God's voice! And the Bible even warns us about hearing from angels! Dreams, visions, interpretations of tongues -- irritating how unreliable they are, isn't it?

I've asked a few times on AFF, how can you tell if it's really from God? And I've asked Pentecostals elsewhere the same question. I've never gotten any better answer than "you just know" or "if it lines up with the Word" or "you learn to recognize His voice". Or my favorite, for predictive prophecies: "if it comes true, it was from the Lord". I don't really have to explain why that's bogus, do I? Nor the others?

Got an estimate of how many purported messages from God are genuine -- that is, are actually from God, by His specific action to deliver it (by whatever medium)? Of course, there is no way of knowing, even of the examples we are personally familiar with (such as Pastor G's). We can't tell which is genuine and which is not!

It's not just that it is difficult. It is that we cannot tell. Not ever. The recipient of the message cannot tell, and those who hear about it cannot tell. Ever. It's not possible. So the messages could be all genuine, all fake, or any ratio between.

What's the solution? If it sounds too absurd, do we reject it? One problem: everyone has a different level of tolerance for absurdity! Another problem: who's to say that God doesn't want us to do something absurd? One more: even if it's not absurd, it may not have really been from God.

Or should we assume it's genuine until proven otherwise? Sure. If we don't mind the occasional ruined life, or a few dead children, or some dashed hopes. Or we could assume it's bogus until proven otherwise. Oh, but I know what you're thinking: "That's no good, because we'd never actually prove it's true!"

Bingo!

My solution, which you guys must reject, being good Pentecostals, is to assume every purported message from God, whether it's a prophecy, interpretation of tongues, word of knowledge, still small voice, or whatever, is not from God, and to reject it as such. Assume it's bogus. You find that unacceptable and distasteful, even heretical. But, if Deanna Laney had adopted this policy, she likely would not have killed her children. She may have gotten professional help, instead, or may not have felt that God gave her that command to kill her kids in the first place.

As for Pastor G, well, the documentary about his project would never have been made. I admit, there's a down side!
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Hang on to your seats. The biggest arrow of all is about to smite: The Voice of Pentecost, get this, is going to be the first, I kid you not, group of people, you ready for this?, to colonize outer space! Glowraaaaay!
Too funny! Kind of sad though, in a way. I remember when RG came to a church in my state to for a conference. He preached well back then. The only thing weird about him were the tennis shoes he wore with his suit and tie ... well when he had his tie on.

Where can one see this movie?
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Too funny! Kind of sad though, in a way. I remember when RG came to a church in my state to for a conference. He preached well back then. The only thing weird about him were the tennis shoes he wore with his suit and tie ... well when he had his tie on.

Where can one see this movie?
Check http://www.audienceofonemovie.com/ for screenings. Also, you can pre-order the DVD at, e.g.:

http://www.indiepixfilms.com/film/3649
http://www.amazon.com/Audience-One-R.../dp/B001QU8834
http://www.overstock.com/Books-Movie...7/product.html
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