Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

[Margies3]

I know that there is a branch of the Walk to Emmaus (the Upper Room version of it Emmaus, not the one I've heard about on here) that goes into prisons and does Emmaus Walk weekends with the prisoners. We have them here twice a year. The prison officials welcome us with open arms because they have seen the evidence of the lives changed. I've heard testimony after testimony from men who have been on these Walks while in prison, who have no hope of ever leaving the prison, but who years later are still walking strong for God. I think that if God can keep them strong in that kind of a situation, they've obviously latched onto something pretty powerful. No, they are not baptized in Jesus' name. No, they've never heard Oneness teaching (or probably trinity teaching either for that matter). But their lives have been changed and have remained changed. That says a ton to me.

[Pastor Keith]

David Pawson, always asks when someone is struggling in their faith, what was your intiation like? In many cases they didn't have the proper birth experience!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Margies3

I know that there is a branch of the Walk to Emmaus (the Upper Room version of it Emmaus, not the one I've heard about on here) that goes into prisons and does Emmaus Walk weekends with the prisoners. We have them here twice a year. The prison officials welcome us with open arms because they have seen the evidence of the lives changed. I've heard testimony after testimony from men who have been on these Walks while in prison, who have no hope of ever leaving the prison, but who years later are still walking strong for God. I think that if God can keep them strong in that kind of a situation, they've obviously latched onto something pretty powerful. No, they are not baptized in Jesus' name. No, they've never heard Oneness teaching (or probably trinity teaching either for that matter). But their lives have been changed and have remained changed. That says a ton to me.

Yes it does and thank you for sharing!

We have a large segment that comes to our church, and some do still struggle some.

I do not put down what they have nor do I tell them they are not saved. But we teach what we teach.

I still see a big difference in the men who have obied than those that have not. I am just being honest.

Although, I do think God honors faith and has the power to change a persons life perhaps without baptism. A person just need to have all that God has for them.

[KWSS1976]

Romans 10:13 need I say more

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Romans 10:13 need I say more

Powerful when spoken in the context of baptism.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Romans 10:13 need I say more

He is also speaking to those that obied Romans 6:4

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

He is also speaking to those that obied Romans 6:4

Absolutely ... as this prisoners have.... but again ... it is a baptism that identifies with the person of Jesus Christ .... calling upon the name of the Lord ... an idiom for placing faith in Him ...

Lives submitted to Christ ... will be baptized ... and follow ALL OF HIS COMMANDMENTS, LIZ but to make this transformation as being caused by a properly administered baptism ... as you are obviously suggesting .... is a slap in the face of scores of prisoners who have had their lives TOTALLY TRANSFORMED by the power of God's Spirit and have not had the same baptismal experience as you, Liz.

Your suggestion to Margie that somehow they've had a nice experience but don't have all God has for them ... is based only on your perception ... and not the obvious, VISIBLE testimony of their own lives.

[KWSS1976]

Which baptism water or holyghost in romans 6:4?

[SDG]

Grace Church of Humble gives thousands to Mike Barber Ministries that has impacted the lives of scores of prisoners with the Gospel of Jesus Christ ....

Mike is a former football player ...

http://www.mikebarber.org/main/about

[SDG]

I mean as a whole, as a people regardless of what they are wearing, are Jesus name people different

Jesus name people are who Liz? An AG person w/ the Holy Ghost has a different "person" dwelling in them ... not Jesus? Not Christ's Spirit?

Paul 2 chapters later, in Chapter 8 of Romans, has a wealth to say about the Spirit-filled believer being a new creature.

11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.