No explaining this away for you that voted for Obama.
That's an absurd line of thinking. Just because people vote for a candidate doesn't mean they support all of that candidates decisions and values.
For instance, are all those who voted for GWB responsible for the unnecassary deaths of over 4,000 brave soldiers in Iraq? Are they responsible for the torture of inmates at Abu Ghraid prison?
You do realize that 7 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices were appointed to the Court by Republicans right? Thus, under your weird logic, every Conservative Republican is responsible for Roe v. Wade not being overturned and abortion made illegal in the U.S.
That's the way your logic pans out.
It's a weird theological argument to assert that you or I will be held responsible for other people's sins.
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We haven't mentioned anything about the countless number of lives lost in the war at the hands of the government. Those people were alive and died because of war. Anyone care to shed any light on that?
Yes we have mentioned it. It was another topic. Start another topic if you want to discuss that
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The way I see it… this is conservatism at its worst.
First, there’s some misinformation in your insinuation. These groups don’t just perform abortions. Many of these groups provide a number of essential medical services internationally in very poor regions of the world. Sadly, abortions or abortion referrals are one of the services they offer. We all are deeply saddened at that and no doubt we all deplore unnecessary abortions. However, we cannot loose sight of the fact that there is also much good that is done in the process.
Second, while you certainly say that you deplore abortion, you’re using the tragedy as political fodder. Obama isn’t forcing women to have abortions. Individual women choose to have abortions regardless as to if it’s legal or not. Obama is merely putting the choice and moral responsibility into the hands of individual women. That’s where we come in. We have to teach the value of life. What’s interesting is that neither Clinton nor Obama have forced a single woman to have an abortion. Yet it seems like people blame them for the issue. This is where the REAL motivation is revealed. It’s all for political gain, it has nothing to do with morality or the value of life. If it did the church would vehemently condemn WOMEN who procure abortions not target politicians.
The way I see it, this issue is very complex and beyond the scope of government’s ability to properly address it. The issue of abortion should be addressed through churches, civic groups, adoption providers, and other private organizations. The government has historically proven to be entirely incapable of properly addressing abortion. Since government shifts and fluctuates, the issue will too. The only sure fire resolution will be private groups addressing the issue with time and resources 24/7 from now until the Lord returns.
Also consider this, Belgium has the lowest abortion rate on earth per ever 1000 pregnancies… and abortion’s perfectly legal in Belgium. We can address this without wrangling in the courts and shifting policies every administration.
So it's okay as long as other health care is included in the package?
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For those of you who voted for Obama, I hope you will be as enthused about praying for all of the innocent babies that will be murdered using my tax dollar as you did defending this man who is now sadly our president.
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama plans to sign an executive order ending the ban on federal funds for international groups that promote or perform abortions, officials told The Associated Press on Friday.
The move, long expected in the Democratic president's first week in office, will be welcomed by liberals and criticized by abortion rights foes.
The policy bans U.S. taxpayer money, usually in the form of U.S. Agency for International Development funds, from going to international family planning groups that either offer abortions or provide information, counseling or referrals about abortion. It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that even talk about abortion if there is an unplanned pregnancy.
stupid question probably but WHY would WE fund an international group of any kind? Especially in the shape we are in?
That's an absurd line of thinking. Just because people vote for a candidate doesn't mean they support all of that candidates decisions and values.
For instance, are all those who voted for GWB responsible for the unnecassary deaths of over 4,000 brave soldiers in Iraq? Are they responsible for the torture of inmates at Abu Ghraid prison?
You do realize that 7 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices were appointed to the Court by Republicans right? Thus, under your weird logic, every Conservative Republican is responsible for Roe v. Wade not being overturned and abortion made illegal in the U.S.
That's the way your logic pans out.
It's a weird theological argument to assert that you or I will be held responsible for other people's sins.
testy testy LOL
We never know what a prez gonna do once elected but when a prez has a agenda KNOWN ahead of time for the voters to consider and one is killing babies, then yes he's just as bad as the MD ripping the baby out the womb.
I'm refering to the prez being just as bad, no where did I say those who voted for are.
BTW you thinks ok to fund baby killing????
No war can even come close to the amt of babies killed.
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stupid question probably but WHY would WE fund an international group of any kind? Especially in the shape we are in?
I think Obama is trying to undo anything the Republicans have done while in office.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
As a president if you fund or suppport abortion then your just as bad as the women who had them or the doc who ripped the baby out the womb.
No explaining this away for you that voted for Obama.
The moral responsibility lands on the the individuals who choose abortion rather it's legal or illegal. You're just trying to politicize the death of innocent people to benefit the Republican Party.
We haven't mentioned anything about the countless number of lives lost in the war at the hands of the government. Those people were alive and died because of war. Anyone care to shed any light on that?
They don't care. To them the death of innocents in war is perfectly acceptable.
They don't realize that individuals are responsible for choices. Individual women are responsible for choosing an abortion, a President is responsible for choosing war, woe unto him if unjustified.
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