Casting out demons = salvation??? - Page 2

Evang.Benincasa · #11 12-31-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeanie

PLUS you should be under the authority of someone, a pastor, a bishop--if someone can not come under authority imo they have no authority!

Sister Jeanie, how about Jesus Christ? You think maybe if you are under His authority you might be able to hail a cab in Brooklyn?

Luke 10:17 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through THY NAME."

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Pastor Keith · #12 01-01-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

And where did you read that in the Bible. I see all kinds of believers under so-called authority and they never cast out any devils and there pastors/bishops etc aren't either.
I was fed alot of this so-called authority/obedience/you gotta be under someone or else your not under proper spiritual protection or your cursed kind of claptrap for many years.....and church membership in the sense of "joining a church" or being a part of one local body of believers exclusively is NOT scriptural either.
It's these kinds of traditions of men that open up God's people to oppressive spirits. Officially joining a church or being "under somebody" doesn't make you free or more blessed or more effective in ministry or more "In line with the Word" than someone who you think is not under authority(whatever that means!!!).

My good wife was dealing with the subject matter of if you want to give orders you must be able to take orders. That is the root of spiritual authority. Yes spiritual authority is more than who you submit yourself to, but it is part of the equation.

The scripture in question is Matthew 8:8-13

8 The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

Pastor Keith · #13 01-01-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister Jeanie, how about Jesus Christ? You think maybe if you are under His authority you might be able to hail a cab in Brooklyn?

Luke 10:17 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through THY NAME."

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Do you believe in disconnected believers, who have no relationship with any other member of the body? We are called to body life, significant spiritual authority flows through body life. Yes, any individual believer using their spiritual authority can cast out demons, but any believer refusing to submit and walk in fellowship with other believers will eventually run out of spiritual life and energy and become illegitimate authority.

Apprehended · #14 01-01-2009, 10:00 AM

I believe that the man has a devil himself. In fact, he is not casting out devils at all. It's a show. I've seen them many times. He is a charlatan on the take.

ManOfWord · #15 01-01-2009, 10:33 AM

Wow, to say that most Christians have demons and that the devil is that powerful. His focus is definitely on the wrong thing! Greater is He that is in that than he that is in the world! Sorry, I ain't afraid of no ghost.........even the unholy kind! He is still the Almighty God!

Threads · #16 01-01-2009, 11:17 AM

Kinda sounds like a couple of people we knew that were "once saved, always saved." Of course once you would start talking with them you could tell something was "very off." This also reminds me of a person that calls himself a profit and goes around the local city profitsizing to all the local churches. He's known as the local nutcase.

TRFrance · #17 01-01-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Do you believe in disconnected believers, who have no relationship with any other member of the body? We are called to body life, significant spiritual authority flows through body life. Yes, any individual believer using their spiritual authority can cast out demons, but any believer refusing to submit and walk in fellowship with other believers will eventually run out of spiritual life and energy and become illegitimate authority.

Well said, keith.

I've come across some folks like that myself, who seem to have this "lone ranger", "free agent" mentality.

I've always felt that if those people knew the scriptures as much as they seem to think they do, they'd know that that kind of freelance way of doing things is out of line with the scriptural pattern and principles laid out for us in the NT.

IsolatedSaint · #18 01-01-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Do you believe in disconnected believers, who have no relationship with any other member of the body? We are called to body life, significant spiritual authority flows through body life. Yes, any individual believer using their spiritual authority can cast out demons, but any believer refusing to submit and walk in fellowship with other believers will eventually run out of spiritual life and energy and become illegitimate authority.

You talk as though there is an abundance of qualified spiritual authority around everywhere. And there's is just too much error and traditions of men in overabundance that I have found it more profitable for me to maintain a sort of stand offish attitude towards the local churches in my area. It's not that we don't want to "walk in fellowship with other believers" or be disconnected. Quite the contrary, but I'm tired of the same old same old in what passes off as local church life and being around a bunch of people that really don't want any thing to do with you anyway. Walking in fellowship with other believers means more than just attending church services and posturing in the form of "officially joining a church".

Trouvere · #19 01-03-2009, 05:49 AM

I honestly don't know the mans first name right now. He did hate what I said to the max. You are going to find people have alot of demonic activity in their lives if they are not covered in the blood of Jesus. I would have liked it if he had at least considered the scriptures. Sadly he only wanted to look for devils. Well there are alot of those around.
No I did not want to anger him, I only wanted to share truth which he had no desire to hear. He says in all his years of ministry I am the kind that he could never help. I asked what kind that was.He said the Jesus only kind. I said no I am not Jesus only. I am Jesus everything.

IsolatedSaint · #20 01-03-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere

This may sound crazy but I just left a fast food restaurant after having met someone who has a website dealing with demons and busting them. I was interested in what he held as salvation. He believed all you had to do to be saved was believe. No repentance, no Holy Spirit, No Jesus Name etc. He then refused to discuss the bible scriptures concerning salvation and could not show me any. His main argument was that because he cast out devils that he must be saved. I took the chance of being knocked one when I told him I did not believe he was biblically saved. I had to. Here is a man who is going around from church to church and playing with a multitude of snakes. He was sitting down at our table telling us in the presence of our children that Christians have no protection against devils and that we all have some. Sorry but I disagree with that totally. Has anyone else encountered such a person? BTW he said that he was never able to minister to anyone like me who believed baptism in Jesus Name to be bible. He got mad and left the restaurant sadly. I did not mean to anger him but he sat there refusing to even look into the possibility that he may not have the truth. I felt all he did was focus on the devil hence the name d busters.etc.
any thoughts?

What I think is most sad about this encounter(and of course I wasn't there)is that I see this as another lost opportunity on both ends to learn from each other and grow and receive that portion of truth that the other doesn't have(or is not operating in). Now it's obvious that this gentleman was wrong in his attitude and demeanor but that doesn't mean he didn't have anything of value to offer you and likewise you had truth that he needed. Perhaps you didn't use wisdom in how you talked to him. You just don't abruptly go telling people they aren't saved, especially when it's possible he's probably doing more good for the body of Christ then you are. This encounter is a classic illustration of the body of Christ being highly fragmented and specialized and of people refusing to come together and receive of those truths that are missing in their lives. And yes while we're on here bashing this individual for not being baptized in Jesus Name, he's probably posting on his blog with his friends on how Oneness people are loaded with religious spirits.