Now this is what i call relevant!!! - Page 2

A_PoMo · #11 12-09-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

With all due respect.........why do we applaud those who do not preach truth. So what if they went from 15/115 or 1015 to over 8000 in just 8 short years, we should morn the fact that this many people are being deceived, and made a two-fold child of hell!

BTW, since it was stated that "they teach the Bible not a bunch of hype," IMO the may be teaching a lot of biblical principles and concepts, but like so many before them, they only teach what they consider relevant and leave the more weightier matters out. These they should have done, but not left the other undone.

Call me an UC or whatever label you desire, but since when are we willing to just disregard the scriptures and make every "believer" a saved, heaven-bound Christian. If this is what relevant means, please count me out.

A two-fold child of hell? Come on! Lighten up. How many people are being infected with the poison of legalism? That sword cuts both ways brother.

Kings Kid · #12 12-09-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

http://www.newspring.cc/

These folks started out 8 years ago with 15 people in a bible study and now have 8000. Their services are awesome and they teach the bible not a bunch of hype.

I have heard about this church .I read a very a interesting news interview that their pastor gave to a local t.v. Station.If you would like to check out the interveiw it was done by wyff.

bishoph · #13 12-09-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

A two-fold child of hell? Come on! Lighten up. How many people are being infected with the poison of legalism? That sword cuts both ways brother.

I agree with you, however, I believe a person who has been "saved" according to the scripture, can make it to heaven from a legalistic environement, while those who have been sold a false "truth" are lost without Christ.

A_PoMo · #14 12-09-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph

I agree with you, however, I believe a person who has been "saved" according to the scripture, can make it to heaven from a legalistic environement, while those who have been sold a false "truth" are lost without Christ.

Really? Is that what Paul said?

That sword cuts both ways too brother. Salvation isn't about theology, it's about faith and relationship.

Jermyn Davidson · #15 12-09-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Really? Is that what Paul said?

That sword cuts both ways too brother. Salvation isn't about theology, it's about faith and relationship.

Yes and No.

One must believe on Jesus as the scriptures say.

JW's and others deny Him.

I'd say many more deny Him with their lifestyle.

Lord, have mercy on me. Have mercy on Your people.

Straight is the gate and narrow is the way.

But simply being an ultra-conservative Apostolic is not a sure ticket to Heaven either.

jaxfam6 · #16 12-10-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I won't get into a debate here but I will say that you're mischaracterizing the doctrine of the Trinity as badly as those Trinitarians who accuse Oneness people of being "Jesus only" and denying the Father and the Holy Spirit.

No debate wanted. I totally disagree with you.

I am not JESUS ONLY. I know who GOD is. I am not trinitarian. God is NOT TRIUNE. God is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

shama` Yisra'el Yĕhovah 'elohiym 'echad Yĕhovah (That I can find there is nothing twisted or changed or assumed to get the translation so I have to take it at face value, GOD IS ONE)

nahkoe · #17 12-10-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6

No debate wanted. I totally disagree with you.

I am not JESUS ONLY. I know who GOD is. I am not trinitarian. God is NOT TRIUNE. God is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

shama` Yisra'el Yĕhovah 'elohiym 'echad Yĕhovah (That I can find there is nothing twisted or changed or assumed to get the translation so I have to take it at face value, GOD IS ONE)

Yep.

That's exactly what it's saying.

(although there is a surprise in that verse...but it doesn't have anything to do with this here..lol)

jaxfam6 · #18 12-10-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

Actually, you are not one, but made up of many parts. Your body, soul and spirit are all broken up into compartmentalized divisions. Your consciousness, unconsciousness, thoughts, heart, mind, soul, emotion, head, tail and on and on and on...

So you are telling me that my soul is co-equal to my spirit and to my unconciousness, etc etc....

Sorry but they all make up one person and that is me. I know what all it takes to make up me but I do not have three or more seperate personalities to make me up. I am ME. PERIOD. I may have different thoughts and feelings about things but ONE feeling or thought is what I live by. There is no meeting of the co-equal personalities to decide what I am going to do for the day or week or for that matter my entire life.

God is and only will be ONE. That does not take from the fact that GOD can and has manifested in many forms. The point is that God is God and can do ANYTHING. We are the ones who because we can not accept that GOD IS, we have to decide he has one or two or three or more CO-EQUAL personalities that CO-EXIST and we have to give them seperate and yet equal worship time.

I do not believe that Jesus gets jealous if I pray to the father or holy spirit more than I do to him. That is because he is those other things and vice versa. I believe when I pray I must pray according to my need. If I need a healer I am pray to my healer or if I need forgiveness to the forgiver of sins. The thing is they are all still GOD. Plain and simple. He is ONE forever and ever. No matter how many manifestations you want to attribute to HIM.

jaxfam6 · #19 12-10-2008, 08:43 PM

To my children I am their father, to their mother I am her lover. If she calls me dad or daddy in front of them I do not get upset with her. I know what she is doing. If my children call me by my given name or a pet name they have for me I do not get upset. They are my children and they know how to address me when the want something, need something, or have an emergency. I respond accordingly. I do not send my feelings to respond just because they addressed me in the wrong manner or because they address the wrong 'personality'. I have many positions I hold and many shoes I fill but I am still ME. I respond as ME. I can not seperate my 'personalities' out and find out what each one of them want me to do about a situation. I am still the one and only ME. Just as God holds many positions and manifestations He is still God no matter which one you address.