A Divided church (Article) Election dividing Races

[StMark]

Thank you Sam for your response.

You was brave to say that. most of the members here are TERRIFIED to touch this topic

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by StMark

Other black leaders voiced a stronger objection to the pre-election rhetoric, particularly from the white-dominated Christian right: "What they did is insult our biblical understanding," said Derrick W. Hutchins, a leader in the predominantly black Church of God in Christ. "The white religious right-wing determined that if you didn't vote for McCain, you were not meeting a standard of the Bible."[/

I understand this statement. This is why it is wrong to intermingle politics and religion in the first place, especially when both major political parties share glaring, current examples of hypocrisy.


A vote for Sen. McCain was not a vote to end abortion in America.

Besides, legislative Christianity ceases to be true Christianity the minute it is legislated.

President Obama said it best when he said (paraphrase) we need to address abortion at the root of the problem instead of focussing on a situation that accounts for less than 2% of all abortions performed in America.

Yes, I am against legalizing PBA. However, his point is the most Christian and relevant statement that I've heard from a politician.


Real Christianity addresses the roots of sin, not just the sinful manifestation.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by 1399

I understand this statement. This is why it is wrong to intermingle politics and religion in the first place, especially when both major political parties share glaring, current examples of hypocrisy.


A vote for Sen. McCain was not a vote to end abortion in America.

Besides, legislative Christianity ceases to be true Christianity the minute it is legislated.

President Obama said it best when he said (paraphrase) we need to address abortion at the root of the problem instead of focussing on a situation that accounts for less than 2% of all abortions performed in America.

Yes, I am against legalizing PBA. However, his point is the most Christian and relevant statement that I've heard from a politician.


Real Christianity addresses the roots of sin, not just the sinful manifestation.

check out this story of Obama's startling response to the funeral of a partically aborted baby then check back with me

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/791108632.html

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by StMark

check out this story of Obama's startling response to the funeral of a partically aborted baby then check back with me

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/791108632.html

It was Obama's henchmen.


At great peril I ask, what kind of life would "Shaniece" have lived?

Let's compare this to the Terri Schiavo case.

Her husband, many years ago, had decided to pull the plug on his wife, to let her die.

Her parents tried to intervene, dragging out the case.

The whole time, Ms Schiavo was suffering.

In the end, she died.

"Shaniece" would have died too.


What happened was horrible, it was disgusting, heartless and cruel.

But she would have died anyway.


Obama, from his own mouth, has said that we need to address why abortions are happening in the first place.

This is the real Christian response to sin.

To focus on the tragic, unfortunate realities of our sinful world only makes us more emotional and not necessarily more rational.

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

Wow. Issues don't matter. It's all about racial vindication

Sounds like back in the mid-90's when O.J. got acquitted and all the black folks churches were rejoicing and saying hallelujah.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by 1399

It was Obama's henchmen.


At great peril I ask, what kind of life would "Shaniece" have lived?

Let's compare this to the Terri Schiavo case.

Her husband, many years ago, had decided to pull the plug on his wife, to let her die.

Her parents tried to intervene, dragging out the case.

The whole time, Ms Schiavo was suffering.

In the end, she died.

"Shaniece" would have died too.


What happened was horrible, it was disgusting, heartless and cruel.

But she would have died anyway.

Obama, from his own mouth, has said that we need to address why abortions are happening in the first place.

This is the real Christian response to sin.

To focus on the tragic, unfortunate realities of our sinful world only makes us more emotional and not necessarily more rational.

We all will die anyway. But no one had a right to starve her to death. That is a very painful way to go. It was insane and the judge who ordered it and her husband who wanted it should starve to death themselves, while remembering Terri.

Any Christian IMO would NOT condone what was done to Terri. Life and Death is in God's hand.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Sam

A couple of thoughts that express my viewpoint.

Anyone who voted against Barack Obama because of his race is a racist.
Anyone who voted for Barack Obama because of his race is a racist.

I do not judge anyone who voted for whomever. If they are my brother or sister I may not agree with them but I have to accept them and respect their opinion.

I personally could not vote for the man because:
--his promise to reinstate partial birth abortion as a priority action
--his disrespect for life as evidenced by his promotion of abortion
--his "questionable" birth and other "questions" about his past
--his associations with terrorists and the Daley Chicago Political Machine
--the type of judges he will appoint to the Supreme Court
--his socialist aims

I agree!!!

[tstew]

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

Sounds like back in the mid-90's when O.J. got acquitted and all the black folks churches were rejoicing and saying hallelujah.

not all the black folks churches.

[MissBrattified]

*sigh*

I have to say, I have heard MORE racist jokes, remarks and slurs during (and after) this election from acquaintances and even family, than I have heard in the last 10 years combined.

It is really disappointing, to say the least.

I find it equally disheartening, IF true, that a large number of black people would vote for a man simply because he is the same color they are. (That's what I perceive.) That is NO different from white people voting for McCain because he is white. And it would be called racism if white people rejoiced because a white man was elected. Why is it not so in the reverse?

So, with those thoughts in mind, I'm just curious: do black people joke among themselves about white people the way some white people do about blacks? Do they mock them or act condescending towards them or the "white community?" I'm interested in perspectives from the black people on this board--what is said, if anything, when you're just gathered with friends or family at dinner? What have you heard? Is this kind of talk limited to racist whites? Or do black people have the same private prejudices?

I find it appalling that a minister like Jeremiah Wright could get up and make some of the comments he made and have his congregation give him support and agreement.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

*sigh*

I have to say, I have heard MORE racist jokes, remarks and slurs during (and after) this election from acquaintances and even family, than I have heard in the last 10 years combined.

It is really disappointing, to say the least.

I find it equally disheartening, IF true, that a large number of black people would vote for a man simply because he is the same color they are. (That's what I perceive.) That is NO different from white people voting for McCain because he is white. And it would be called racism if white people rejoiced because a white man was elected. Why is it not so in the reverse?

So, with those thoughts in mind, I'm just curious: do black people joke among themselves about white people the way some white people do about blacks? Do they mock them or act condescending towards them or the "white community?" I'm interested in perspectives from the black people on this board--what is said, if anything, when you're just gathered with friends or family at dinner? What have you heard? Is this kind of talk limited to racist whites? Or do black people have the same private prejudices?

I find it appalling that a minister like Jeremiah Wright could get up and make some of the comments he made and have his congregation give him support and agreement.

Miss B, honestly, by and large when black people do talk or joke about white people it is not derogatory in the same way. Yes, some black people do mock white people...insert any black comedian here...but in my experience it is not generally the same type of hate that is unfortunately still out there. All you have to do is read some of the comments on any AOL story for example. Almost every story about black people quickly becomes hate filled. No matter what the story is about you almost immediately start to see "nigger, porch monkey, and tons of things that I cannot even repeat here". The same is generally not true on sites that black people generally talk about white people on. Of course there are some kooks out there in the black community, but I do think that in general there is a difference.