Those exceptions are held by many anti abortion folks. Not everybody in the anti abortion camp thinks in a monolithic fashion with all of the exact same viewpoints.
To try and equate McCains votes and views on abortion with Obama's just doesn't hold water.
I agree, basically. But politicians commonly say what people want and do something else.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Neither side practices what they preach and the ability for democrats to only see these failures in republicans and vice versa keeps each side talking as if their own side didn't do the same thing.
Exactly.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Neither side practices what they preach and the ability for democrats to only see these failures in republicans and vice versa keeps each side talking as if their own side didn't do the same thing.
D4T, I agree whole heartedly. Politicians have successfully created an "us vs. them" mentality in their constituents that helps prevent them from being objectively scrutinized or held completely accountable to those who put them into office. Even the title of the thread gives me the willies. Listening to a politician preach is a pretty risky affair.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
D4T, I agree whole heartedly. Politicians have successfully created an "us vs. them" mentality in their constituents that helps prevent them from being objectively scrutinized or held completely accountable to those who put them into office. Even the title of the thread gives me the willies. Listening to a politician preach is a pretty risky affair.
Your take is the typical copout that tries to say there is no difference between the two major parties when in fact there are huge differences.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Your take is the typical copout that tries to say there is no difference between the two major parties when in fact there are huge differences.
There are huge differences in rhetoric....
Very little difference in actual action.
Both of them sing the song their followers want to hear but when push comes to shove business as usual goes on Washington goes on without missing a lick.
Your take is the typical copout that tries to say there is no difference between the two major parties when in fact there are huge differences.
My take reflects that the GOP has not governed in actuality in a way that is consistent with my wishes. My take reflects that an Supreme Court appointed by the GOP at a rate of 7 to 9 has not ruled in a way that is consistent with my wishes. My take reflects the fact that neither party is addressing illegal immigration and many other important things that I think are critical to the America that I would like to leave to my children. My take reflects the fact that neither party has promised to do anything about the millions of abortions that happen in our country in the real world. When given the chance to highlight the importance of these murders and how ending such a travesty should be an important part of governance, he (McCain) did not. My take reflects the fact that bothe parties are headed in the same direction and that the conseravtive right is being taken along for the ride on the strength of a few standard positions that noone is promising to do anything about anyway.
If you are of the opinion that the GOP is the conservative, godly party you always thought is was...more power to you. But in my estimation, that is the copout position that will allow a handful of people take the "moral majority" down a path they never intended to go.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Am I the only one disturbed that the oh so compassionate bleeding heart liberal Democrats seem to only be generous and compassionate with others money?
Recent legal election disclosures have shown that despite earning millions of dollars over the last ten years the Democrat Vice Presidential canidate Joe Biden only gave around $ 3,600 total to charity over that ten years!
Wow!!! One could say the same about some Apostolic folks!!!
When it comes to charity's and givings !!!
My point is this, this kind of thing is in all groups and walks of life, it has no bounders, giver and takers...
I noticed how not one single person has actually commented on or addressed the premise of my thread here.
My point was specifically that Democrats claim to be great champions of the poor and downtrodden yet their Vice Presidential nominee has only contributed $3600 to charity over the last decade despite being a millionaire.
The only liberal politicians that seem willing to give out of their own pocket in addition to picking mine are those that are mega rich who make so much money they don't miss a few million going to charity.
How about Mr. Obama who is going to give us free everything from health care to college educations yet doesn't help his half brother in Kenya who lives on a few dollars a month in abject poverty or his aunt living illegally in the United States in a housing development for the poor?
As a Republican I am quite clear that you need to earn your own way with helping hand from time to time so I don't make any pretense of wanting to redistribute wealth like Democrats do.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
My take reflects that the GOP has not governed in actuality in a way that is consistent with my wishes. My take reflects that an Supreme Court appointed by the GOP at a rate of 7 to 9 has not ruled in a way that is consistent with my wishes. My take reflects the fact that neither party is addressing illegal immigration and many other important things that I think are critical to the America that I would like to leave to my children. My take reflects the fact that neither party has promised to do anything about the millions of abortions that happen in our country in the real world. When given the chance to highlight the importance of these murders and how ending such a travesty should be an important part of governance, he (McCain) did not. My take reflects the fact that bothe parties are headed in the same direction and that the conseravtive right is being taken along for the ride on the strength of a few standard positions that noone is promising to do anything about anyway.
If you are of the opinion that the GOP is the conservative, godly party you always thought is was...more power to you. But in my estimation, that is the copout position that will allow a handful of people take the "moral majority" down a path they never intended to go.
In politics there is never going to be viable party that is EXACTLY what I want or you want. You have to pick the one that most closely holds and promotes your values and it is clearly Republicans that take the better stand on traditional marriage, against abortion, against redistribution of wealth, etc.
If you don't like some of the Supreme Courts decisions with Bush appointees can you imagine what all of their decisions would have been like with John Kerry and Al Gore appointees???? You would not have the great Supreme Court justice we have now!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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