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Old 10-15-2008, 08:44 AM
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Fact is, Barack Obama will be the most Socialistic minded president we've ever had... and the only US president ever to have been a member of a Socialist party.
Can you prove that Obama was a "member" of a Socialist party?

And on a side note....socialism is just another economic philosophy. Economies shift from time to time from being more socialistic to more capitalistic and back given economic conditions. It's a natural flux.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:51 AM
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Obama is for wealth redistribution. Is that not socialist?

Obama's words, he didn't want to punish the ones making money, BUT he wanted those following them to have the same rights. So what he is saying is I WILL take your money and give it to someone else.

1399 I know you want to keep blaming Bush for all this, but you refuse to blame the Congress who is the one that passed this nonesense. In fact. Barabra what's her name from Ca wants more money to spend on this nonesense.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:58 AM
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Obama is for wealth redistribution. Is that not socialist?
What's your opinion of the agrarian socialism of Old Testament Israel?

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Obama's words, he didn't want to punish the ones making money, BUT he wanted those following them to have the same rights. So what he is saying is I WILL take your money and give it to someone else.
Strengthening the social safety net and national infrastructure is necessary. All can benefit from such effort.

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1399 I know you want to keep blaming Bush for all this, but you refuse to blame the Congress who is the one that passed this nonesense. In fact. Barabra what's her name from Ca wants more money to spend on this nonesense.
President Bush as President has the power to sign a bill into law or veto it. Bush isn't vetoing this stuff...he's signing it into law without any hint of reservations. I doubt he even reads them. Maybe if they printed them with pictures like those found in first grade reading books Bush would at least read the legislation and would perhaps veto SOMETHING.
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:00 PM
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Can you prove that Obama was a "member" of a Socialist party?

And on a side note....socialism is just another economic philosophy. Economies shift from time to time from being more socialistic to more capitalistic and back given economic conditions. It's a natural flux.
He was a member of the socialist New Party, in Chicago.

That's been covered in some depth on this thread : PROOF that Barack Obama was/is a Socialist??

(http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=19295)

If that's not convincing enough then feel free to do some digging using Google, for more information on these various entities, and Obama's connection to the NewParty and Chicago branch of the DSA in particular. The New Party is an offshoot of the Democratic Socialists of America, which is affiliated with the Socialist International.
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:18 PM
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He was a member of the socialist New Party, in Chicago.

That's been covered in some depth on this thread : PROOF that Barack Obama was/is a Socialist??

(http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=19295)

If that's not convincing enough then feel free to do some digging using Google, for more information on these various entities, and Obama's connection to the NewParty and Chicago branch of the DSA in particular. The New Party is an offshoot of the Democratic Socialists of America, which is affiliated with the Socialist International.
OK, so, he has socialist leanings. So does George Bush and countless others.
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:18 PM
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You're kidding right? This must be a joke.

You're moaning and groaning about "Socialism", but you're not bothered by Obama's confirmed Socialist connections in Chicago?

Please. We dont have to re-hash that all over again, since we already discussed it on another thread.... but you've seen the evidence of his membership in the socialistic New Party and his connection to the Socialist Democrats of America (the same evidence you tried hard to minimize and trash when I sent you all those links).

Fact is, Barack Obama will be the most Socialistic minded president we've ever had... and the only US president ever to have been a member of a Socialist party.

So you want him... you got him... but dont complain now about "Socialism".

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Old 10-15-2008, 03:32 PM
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$250 Billion of the bail out package will be used by the government to "invest" into some of the largest, private American banks.


No one in DC I spoke with about this was concerned! (Co-workers, random folk on the streets and in the coffee shop.)


If Sen. Obama had suggested this, we would never hear the end of it from the right-winged hacks and nut jobs!


If America is truly headed in the direction of SOCIALISM, we have President Bush to thank! Not only have we seen our rights and freedoms eroded under this REPUBLICAN, but now he has injected government into free enterprise in a way that completely contradicts our American values!


What ever happened to making decisions based on principles?

Isn't freedom and our way of life more valuable than the dollar?

Isn't the blood spilled to protect our freedom and our way of life more valuable than the dollar?

What's happening to America?

Why aren't more folks concerned?

If Sen. Obama wins, will he become the fall guy for some really, really bad policy decisions?

I think the next President is really being set up for failure, whoever he is.


Please God, be merciful to America! Remember Your people, remember Your children, remember Your Promise!!
This right wing hack sounded off pretty clearly that the 700 BILLION passed by congress and advocated by the president was socialism at its highest order.

all of this mess is socialism.

and i aint happy about it.
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:41 PM
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OK, so, he has socialist leanings. So does George Bush and countless others.
Spare me.
Do you seriously think Barack Obama's "socialist leanings" and George Bush's "socialist leanings" are on par with each other?

Take off the rose-colored glasses sir. (What Socialist party did Bush ever join? What socialist organization proudly touted George Bush as being one of their own?) The comparison is night-and-day.

To my mind, the very idea is so preposterous that frankly, it's really not deserving of much further discussion.
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:56 PM
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Why is Socialism so evil? Really?

Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:34-35)
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:53 PM
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Why is Socialism so evil? Really?

Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:34-35)
If you don't see a distinction between modern-day political Socialism, and the so-called "socialism" you're inferring in Acts 4:34-35, then it doesn't even make any sense me trying to explain how and why they're so vastly different.

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And let the reader keep in mind that most Socialist movements today consider Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx to be the godfathers of modern-day Socialism. (Marx and Engels were co-authors of "The Communist Manifesto". Enough said.)
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