Why Joseph's Genealology? - Page 2

Scott Hutchinson · #11 10-14-2008, 10:34 AM

You're welcome as I read different things.

Falla39 · #12 10-14-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I wouldn't say that...

I don't know what the legal requirements were per the law etc. I would think that Jesus' real father would hold more weight than Josephs bloodline but that is certainly a thought off the top of my head and nothing I can feel any certainty about.

But the presentation of the lineage doesn't have to have a singular purpose.

There have been those in the medical field, who say that every drop of
blood in a baby's body is from it's father! How else could God shed His
own blood than through the body of His Son. Act 20:28, "Take heed
therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost
hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath
purchased with his own blood".

God is a Spirit. He needed a body to work in and through. After Jesus had
finished the work given to him by His Father, the "body of Christ" went
back to the Father (Deity). God had become a Father. He provided, or
begot a "Son", "body of flesh" to do what a He as Spirit could not do. Shed
blood, die. God gave all power to the SON. After His work on earth, He went
back to the Father (Spirit) and poured out the Spirit from above upon those
who would believe and receive. Jesus appointed a kingdom to the apostles
just as His Father had appointed Him one. He taught, chose and appointed
those he walked and talked with on a daily basis. Just ordinary men.

Without the shedding of blood, there could be no remission of sins. God,
as Spirit had no blood, but when He begot a "Son", made under the law,
through a woman, God had blood, IN HIS SON. Just as He said, He provided
HIMSELF a sacrifice to save His people from their sins.

Some thoughts,

Falla39

Esther · #13 10-14-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Actually Joseph's bloodline is fairly significant.

Jehoiakim is found in the lineage of Joseph.

Jehoiakim cut the word of God with a pen knife and threw it in the fire.

Jehoiakim was told that he and his seed would be punished for this.

The lineage of Christ is a pure lineage traced all the way through Mary. Then, after Jesus was born, Joseph "knew" Mary and the rest of her children were mixed with a cursed bloodline leaving Jesus as the last remaining one in the pure unadulterated bloodline.

The lineage that went through Mary can only be carried on one way... through the children of Jesus Christ.

Jesus was not married and his only children are those who are born again of the water and the spirit.

God brought a lineage all the way down to Mary.

Mary gave birth to the Messiah and then that lineage was mingled with a cursed lineage thereby cutting it off leaving Jesus alone to carry on that lineage.

It was necessary to show Josephs lineage for this to be understood and seen.

However, in Matthew it is traced to Joseph not Mary.

Ron · #14 10-14-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Actually Joseph's bloodline is fairly significant.

Jehoiakim is found in the lineage of Joseph.

Jehoiakim cut the word of God with a pen knife and threw it in the fire.

Jehoiakim was told that he and his seed would be punished for this.

The lineage of Christ is a pure lineage traced all the way through Mary. Then, after Jesus was born, Joseph "knew" Mary and the rest of her children were mixed with a cursed bloodline leaving Jesus as the last remaining one in the pure unadulterated bloodline.

The lineage that went through Mary can only be carried on one way... through the children of Jesus Christ.

Jesus was not married and his only children are those who are born again of the water and the spirit.

God brought a lineage all the way down to Mary.

Mary gave birth to the Messiah and then that lineage was mingled with a cursed lineage thereby cutting it off leaving Jesus alone to carry on that lineage.

It was necessary to show Josephs lineage for this to be understood and seen.

Good post D4T!

Falla39 · #15 10-14-2008, 04:03 PM

Sis. Esther,

My understanding is that Mary's lineage in found in Luke 3:23-38. Mary's
genealogy is through David's son, Nathan, not Solomon. Joseph came
through Solomon's bloodline, the same as Jechonias. Jesus was born of a
woman, over-shadowed by the Holy Spirit. No man was involved. Through
a little virgin who had known a man. (A sign prophesied from the OT.)

You don't find Jechonias in Mary's line. His bloodline was cut off. (I have
wondered if this Nathan could possibly be the prophet Nathan who told King
David, "thou art the man". If David had a son (Solomon) who was a king,
could he not have a son who was a prophet!

Just some thoughts.

Falla39

Esther · #16 10-14-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Sis. Esther,

My understanding is that Mary's lineage in found in Luke 3:23-38. Mary's
genealogy is through David's son, Nathan, not Solomon. Joseph came
through Solomon's bloodline, the same as Jechonias. Jesus was born of a
woman, over-shadowed by the Holy Spirit. No man was involved. Through
a little virgin who had known a man. (A sign prophesied from the OT.)

You don't find Jechonias in Mary's line. His bloodline was cut off. (I have
wondered if this Nathan could possibly be the prophet Nathan who told King
David, "thou art the man". If David had a son (Solomon) who was a king,
could he not have a son who was a prophet!

Just some thoughts.

Falla39

Yes, I understand that, but it doesn't make sense to me, maybe I'm just dense today, but why would Joseph's line be given since he had nothing to do with the birth?

U376977 · #17 10-15-2008, 11:41 PM

Esther, you are getting into some deep waters. A couple of related questions: Why was Jesus called the "seed of Abraham" and the "seed of David." Why the promised "seed, not seeds" written about in Gal. 3.?

And another interesting note on the Lk. geneology. There are exactly 77 generations, from God--to Jesus. Count them! When I did this as a teenager I almost freaked. The number 7 being the "perfect" number and there being a double perfect in the generations of man. Wow. And since Jesus there has not been another generation, he is our "elder brother." We are also the 77th generation.

Pragmatist · #18 10-16-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Yes, I understand that, but it doesn't make sense to me, maybe I'm just dense today, but why would Joseph's line be given since he had nothing to do with the birth?

I was taught that the legal right to the throne was through the father, so that is why Joseph's lineage is important.

Esther · #19 10-16-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I was taught that the legal right to the throne was through the father, so that is why Joseph's lineage is important.

Even though he is not technically the father?

Esther · #20 10-16-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by U376977

Esther, you are getting into some deep waters. A couple of related questions: Why was Jesus called the "seed of Abraham" and the "seed of David." Why the promised "seed, not seeds" written about in Gal. 3.?

And another interesting note on the Lk. geneology. There are exactly 77 generations, from God--to Jesus. Count them! When I did this as a teenager I almost freaked. The number 7 being the "perfect" number and there being a double perfect in the generations of man. Wow. And since Jesus there has not been another generation, he is our "elder brother." We are also the 77th generation.

Interesting. Did you also notice how the scriptures broke it down in 14 generations?