This Bill Ayers stuff is John McCain's last stand.

[rgcraig]

Mike, what is sad is that the American people don't care enough to listen.

I'm not sure McCain can convince anyone - they will think he's just trying to win the election and not even bother to listen to what's being said from other sources (other than McCain).

It scares me that people are so easily swayed by a chasmatic personality that can't show ONE thing he's done to deserve being considered the President.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Mike, what is sad is that the American people don't care enough to listen.

I'm not sure McCain can convince anyone - they will think he's just trying to win the election and not even bother to listen to what's being said from other sources (other than McCain).

It scares me that people are so easily swayed by a chasmatic personality that can't show ONE thing he's done to deserve being considered the President.

I don't think any of us expected Obama to have the success that he has. In large part, that is directly attributalbe to the unpopular politicians in office. For good or bad, voters are extremely unhappy with the last 8 years of the Bush administration and the Congress.

I personally think you're right that there is a good chance the American people won't listen to the Ayer's stuff. Rightly or wrongly, it's seen as more negative, mud slinging politics as usual that most people detest. It's a turnoff to most voters. I doubt seriously that it works.

From what I've read from reputable news organizations, I'm not sure the Ayer's thing will or should be a game changer.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

I don't think any of us expected Obama to have the success that he has. I think, in large part, that is directly attributalbe to the unpopular politicians in office. For good or bad, voters are extremely unhappy with the last 8 years of the Bush administration and the Congress.

I personally, think you're right that there is a good chance the American people won't listen to the Ayer's stuff. Rightly or wrongly, it's seen as more negative, mud slinging politics as usual that most people detest. I doubt seriously that it works.

From what I've read from reputable news organizations, I'm not sure the Ayer's thing will be a game changer.

There's more than just the Ayers thing - that's what is so convincing. He can't just happen to have all these ties and leaders from other countries singing his praises just by accident. They all tie together and it's not good for America.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

There's more than just the Ayers thing - that's what is so convincing. He can't just happen to have all these ties and leaders from other countries singing his praises just by accident. They all tie together and it's not good for America.

Perhaps you're right my fellow Razorback.

It'll be interesting to see if America agrees with you.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

From what I've read from reputable news organizations, I'm not sure the Ayer's thing will or should be a game changer.

Perhaps not. But these " reputable news organizations" did not properly vet this issue during the campaign even though they've known about if for at least a year.

They would have never let McCain or any Republican get away with having such shady associations, but in Obama's case, they turned the other way because they're so totally in the tank for him.

We shouldnt forget that during the 2004 campaign this same mainstream media hounded GW Bush for months on the issue of whether he had fulfilled all his necessary time while he was in the Texas National Guard 30 years previously when he was still in his 20's.... and CBS went so far as to allow fraudulent documents to be used in their "expose" as they tried to nail him.

Now what's more important?.... A president who 30 years ago may have missed a few days of his required service in the National Guard... or a president who has repeatedly consorted with an America-hating terrorist and other leftists? The liberal media complex is shameless. But the American sheeple are too docile to realize they're getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

I'm starting to feel like if America chooses Barack Obama, then they deserve whatever they get. As they say, be careful what you wish for...

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

There's more than just the Ayers thing - that's what is so convincing. He can't just happen to have all these ties and leaders from other countries singing his praises just by accident. They all tie together and it's not good for America.

Fidel Castro favors him over John McCain.
As does Hugo Chavez.
As does the terrorist group HAMAS!

That by itself should tell you something.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Fidel Castro favors him over John McCain.
As does Hugo Chavez.
As does the terrorist group HAMAS!

That by itself should tell you something.

It tells ME a lot!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

From what I've read from reputable news organizations, I'm not sure the Ayer's thing will or should be a game changer.

You didn't listen to the 2007 voice clips I provided on this thread? My goodness! Ayers and his wife Dohrn haven't changed at all!!!

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Perhaps not. But these " reputable news organizations" did not properly vet this issue during the campaign even though they've known about if for at least a year.

They would have never let McCain or any Republican get away with having such shady associations, but in Obama's case, they turned the other way because they're so totally in the tank for him.

We shouldnt forget that during the 2004 campaign this same mainstream media hounded GW Bush for months on the issue of whether he had fulfilled all his necessary time while he was in the Texas National Guard 30 years previously when he was still in his 20's.... and CBS went so far as to allow fraudulent documents to be used in their "expose" as they tried to nail him.

Now what's more important?.... A president who 30 years ago may have missed a few days of his required service in the National Guard... or a president who has repeatedly consorted with an America-hating terrorist and other leftists? The liberal media complex is shameless. But the American sheeple are too docile to realize they're getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

I'm starting to feel like if America chooses Barack Obama, then they deserve whatever they get. As they say, be careful what you wish for...

Anyone who bombs anything, whether it actually kills people or not, is a criminal. That's understood. I realize the man was a criminal in the 60's during the anti-war movement. That was before my time, but the Vietnam era was replete with folks of his ilk.

I think the disconnect is that no one has proven that Obama has ever agreed with this Ayer's character. I mean Ayers is now an accepted figure in the Chicago social circles and according to the Chicago Sun Times is friends of both Republicans and Democrats.

Still more the point, why are voters supposed to believe that because he served on boards with him and attended a party at his house, that he condones his criminal acts of the 60's?

[Pressing-On]

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen



By DINITIA SMITH
Published: September 11, 2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all

If people can't see this, then I am shocked. This interview was in 2001. I have voice clips from 2007 where Ayers and his wife are still hating on America. My goodness.