Re: Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtai
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
Excellent Post, PP!
You lead off with a home run!
What's interesting is that once someone is enlightened about the man behind the curtain, others will accuse them of lying. They have spent their entire life believing, and they refuse to believe it's just a myth!
Yep! "The Wizard of Oz" has some amazing correlations to "other things"... as does "The Emperor's New Clothes" and "Don Quixote".
Not to mention, "The Village", "The Matrix" and others.
Re: Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtai
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain!
Religion, far too often, fails in the areas of truthfulness and transparency. Religion, based upon faulty oral tradition, is useless. It is time for truthfulness. It is time for introspection. It is time for a return to God’s Word.
Everything else is a myth, and I am tired of giving my life to lies. How sad to work, and build, and give to a paradigm only to discover that all of the effort was wasted on a faulty theological premise.
Truth, once revealed, demands close inspection. Do not allow blind allegiance to men and their traditions trump what God reveals to you through His Word and by His Spirit.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]
Pay close attention to that man behind the curtain.
PP your post really grabbed me for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the sincerity of your post shined through. Secondly, it's exactly what my generation of 20 somethings needs. I'm concerned about things I see around me and that my generation is falling for.
I'm tired of seeing people base Christianity on what came out of last week's conference and what so and so said. I'm tired of everyone baseing every program in the church on some silly model that has worked here and there and yet the programs lack any power.
It's past time for us to "return to God's word" as the exclusive source of our beliefs and power. Traditions and opinions will disappoint and leave people feeling empty, confused, and dissatisfied.
We've got to have people that will "demand close inspection" and base what we do solely on sound scriptural doctrines. Put opinions, traditions, completely behind the Word of God and let it produce what we need. We're losing credability to a dying world if we do any less.
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Re: Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtai
Lib.
Obviously "gone charismatic".
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtai
This thead is the kind of thinking that develops once one heads down that slippery slope.
This is what wearing shirt sleeves above your elbows and allowing other worldly things to creep into your lifestyle leads to.
I guess next we will be hearing from PP how that the Bible doesn't teach against women wearing pants, makeup, and jewelry when we all know it is right there in black and white. Somewhere (never seen it myself but according to others it is there).
Any day now I expect to see PP promoting some youth event with colored lights and fog.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Oh the shame.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtai
This morning, I attended a church where the Jesus Name doctrine is the same, but no 'holiness standards' are preached or mandated. It was a nice service, although I have to admit that seeing women with cut hair and jewelry on the platform of an Apostolic church throws me.
I noticed several things though. One of those things was the spirit of God that I felt there. It was a wonderful service and the messages preached were great.
I also noticed that while the women looked different, the men didn't. Strange...I mean, if what we look like on the outside tells people how saved or holy we are, it appears that the men continued having holiness and the women didn't. (insert TIC smiley here)
I spoke to the pastor after church and in the course of conversation, I told him that I was there at the invitation of a friend I hadn't yet met because I know her from the internet. She's a member here and I was telling him how I'd met her. He asked for the name of the forum and when I told him, he said, "Oh, I know of that forum." I laughed, and he asked why I was laughing. I didn't know what to say.....LOL!
Anyway, I asked him why he decided to leave the UPC and he told me basically what I expected to hear....he'd studied and did research and prayed and decided that living for God according to the Bible was more important than living for God according to the UPC manual. There were other issues related to ministerial situations and such, but I didn't inquire about those. A very nice guy. I'm sure I'll visit there again.
I'm looking for a place where I can worship in freedom and not have to worry about the man behind the curtain telling me how to be saved and keep my salvation and how to look so everyone else can see how saved I am.
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Re: Pay no Attention to That Man Behind the Curtai
HO,
Now I am dying of curiosity to know what church you visited!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I still not watch Star Wars through!
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