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Old 08-07-2008, 10:24 PM
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The only thing "special" about a church building is the fact that it is set apart for prayer unto God. the same could be said about anything/place that is set apart for God... especially people. Ye are the temple...
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Re: Houses and Mansions

Several years ago while browsing a very old dictionary, I noticed that the word
remnant was connected with the word, remain or remains. Then
I found the word remain connected to the word mansion. Connected
to the word mansion was the word abode.

Now do a study on those words comparing what the Bible says about each word.
You don't have to have an old dictionary today. Just google Merriman-
Webster's dictionary online and start with the word remnant. It will tell
you to go to remain and remain refers you to mansion. Interesting!

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Old 08-08-2008, 09:30 AM
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Just a note, I would love to see someone come up with a New Testament scripture regarding a "church" being a building, and any example of the NT church having a building designated as such...........Hope this view doesn't get me banned HERE too!

What would give you the idea that a view like this would get you banned here?

At AFF how you present a view can get you banned (if it involves personal attacks) but not the view itself. The only things we do not allow (within reason) are outright heresay or blasphemy.
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The only thing "special" about a church building is the fact that it is set apart for prayer unto God. the same could be said about anything/place that is set apart for God... especially people. Ye are the temple...
Thanks for posting Stephen.

With that in mind, How do you feel about songs like: "Let us go into the house of the Lord". (and many more, from O.T. psalms). Compared to N.T. scripture?

And comments like . "Invite someone to come to God's house today" or, "Welcome to God's house, where anything can happen".

Doesn't that subconciencously send a message that you gotta be at the church building to see the "anything that can happen" (miracles etc)(especially when its said a lot)? And leave us perhaps a little weaker in faith, when it comes to us operating in the "anything happening" outside the building? (like praying miracles with someone at a public setting outside of the church building) Not to mention where does the building being so often referred to as the "house of God" line up with N.T. scripture like these:

Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood,....

Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us,.....

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, .....

Thanks again for commenting on the subject.
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Several years ago while browsing a very old dictionary, I noticed that the word
remnant was connected with the word, remain or remains. Then
I found the word remain connected to the word mansion. Connected
to the word mansion was the word abode.

Now do a study on those words comparing what the Bible says about each word.
You don't have to have an old dictionary today. Just google Merriman-
Webster's dictionary online and start with the word remnant. It will tell
you to go to remain and remain refers you to mansion. Interesting!

Blessings,

Falla39
Yes, tis interesting. Remnant connected to mansion, (which in my amplified reads "dwelling place". Thanks Falla39
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What do you think about the scripture forsake not the assembling of yourselves together?

You need a place for that. And in the OT and NT they called it a temple. But we now have what we call a church. Not sure when and where that term got started.
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Just a note, I would love to see someone come up with a New Testament scripture regarding a "church" being a building, and any example of the NT church having a building designated as such...........Hope this view doesn't get me banned HERE too!
Not me. I would not love to see that...since I don't really know anyone that thinks the building we have meetings in is "the church". BTW where else have you been banned from?
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What do you think about the scripture forsake not the assembling of yourselves together?

You need a place for that. And in the OT and NT they called it a temple. But we now have what we call a church. Not sure when and where that term got started.
Hmmm.... The New Testament usage of the Temple by Christians was rather short-lived though was it not?

I am not so sure the Christians ever fully controlled the temples at the time of the early church. Rather, it was God's plan to destroy the Temple in Jerusalem.
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Not me. I would not love to see that...since I don't really know anyone that thinks the building we have meetings in is "the church". BTW where else have you been banned from?
What about the references to "The House of God"? Is this OK? Certainly there was a time of transition, even Jesus made referece to "My House", but was this intended to continue after the introduction of New Conevant?

Know ye not... ye ARE the temple...
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Hmmm.... The New Testament usage of the Temple by Christians was rather short-lived though was it not?

I am not so sure the Christians ever fully controlled the temples at the time of the early church. Rather, it was God's plan to destroy the Temple in Jerusalem.
I don't know that they controlled the temples either. I do know that Peter and John was on their way to the Temple when they stopped to heal the lame man. And if memory serves me right they went daily.
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