Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW being...

25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

DoNt StRAIN YouR EYes!!!! ThE CovEnanT WaS baSed On A PrOmISe. A ProMise FuLfillED In JeSUs CHrIST.

For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

... abolished. Does anyone have OT scripture that the LAW of God would be abolished or done away with?

We have covenants and then we have the Law of God. God's covenants always reflect his revealed eternal nature/law.

The Law of Moses was the basis for the Old Covenant. I'm not sure why you are separating the Law of Moses from the Old Covenant.

Here's the joining of the covenant:

Exo 34:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Heb 9: 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated F30 without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

In that the Old covenant was made old by virtue of a "new covenant", the Law of Moses contained in ordinances has vanished away. Paul called the law a schoolmaster and said we are no longer under a school master because of faith in Christ.

Gal 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

And here's the verse on doing away with the law by the cross of Christ. It was the sacrifice of the Lamb on the cross that brought in a new way for us to be righteous before God.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[RevDWW]

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Quixotic

CiRcuMCisioN and the OlD CovenAnt PreDAte the LAW somE 400 YeARs.

PauL TelLS us WHAT thE IntEnt oF THe LaW is In GalAtiAns 3

The Old Covenant is the agreement of the Isrealites to abide by the Law of Moses.

Why are you guys separating the Law of Moses from the Old Covenant?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rico

Yup. Like this verse:

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Jn 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Quixotic

THe LaW anD WhAt Are SYnonyMouS, GoOD siR?

the covenant

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Rico

Yup. Like this verse:

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

LOL! hmmm amazing how that comes back to the Mosaic Covenant

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The Law and the covenant are synonymous.

The rules and regulations were are part of that covenant.

If this was not the case then it is a sin to not be circumcised

Prax, sometimes not all the time! God's law transends covenants. As it is his nature and will for us to do and imitate to him, others and our surroundings.

your are in sin if you are not circumcised! If God has not made the SPIRITUAL circumcision you are still dead in sin. so circumcision is STILL necessary but in a different way. Types and shadows. Some things are a reality now spiritually which where physical before.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If one wants to find out what is sin or not you can read it in the NT

Prax this is in part true. Paul stated the the LAW showed us SIN! Paul or any other apostle does not have to go and point out every sin again they already had the list. Whether they be sins against the body or God.

Paul and John already pointed to the LAW and what is right. To transgress the laws that God wanted his people to do was sin.
The basis of the law is about love, thus due what God commands without all your soul, might and strength. Love your neighbor and be a blessing to them through loving the commandments of God and to act in stewarship to the world around you. Thus loving the things God has provided.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Jere 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

this scripture does not say the law is done away with or abolished. The covenant may change in a sense but the scriptures show that the law of God is not done away with. It placed on the heart.


Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit (WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST THE LIVING TORAH)I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
Eze 11:20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD."


Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. (which is the living Torah, Jesus Christ)
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

hmmm sounds like the reference to the law should be natural after reading the Word(scriptures OT) and the counseling of his Spirit.

Is this true in the NT?

Rom 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
Rom 2:15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Rom 2:16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

The Spirit will bear witness with our spirit if we are his sons.