The Man Is the Priest of the Home?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

A womans relationship with her husband is indicative of her relationship with God and her relationship with God is fulfilled in her submission to her husband. In our congregation where I have Pastored it is well known that I do not serve as Pastor to our married women... I serve as their Husbands pastor and their Husbands control their homes.... not the Pastor...... I would never counsel a married woman without the presence of her husband and without her realizing that my authority is less than his in her life and that my words should never supersede her own husbands words.......

What if the husband is not a Christian?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

A womans relationship with her husband is indicative of her relationship with God and her relationship with God is fulfilled in her submission to her husband. In our congregation where I have Pastored it is well known that I do not serve as Pastor to our married women... I serve as their Husbands pastor and their Husbands control their homes

Interesting.

.... not the Pastor...... I would never counsel a married woman without the presence of her husband

Well, that's just common sense right there.

...and without her realizing that my authority is less than his in her life and that my words should never supersede her own husbands words.......

Well, considering how much I disagree with you on other doctrinal points, this is hard: I totally agree with what you just said. (The Ideal, anyway.)

However, with the caveat, that I do believe a woman should be able to talk to her pastor, if need be. What if there is a problem in the marriage or home, caused by the husband? What if the husband's authority is being abused, or he is not living as he should, therefore, she can't depend on him for spiritual guidance? What about married women in your church whose husbands aren't Christians?

I do agree that husbands should have more authority in the home than the pastor, and MANY Apostolic churches (Wow, I would almost say "most") have this point twisted way out of kilter!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Still no verses showing the man is the womans priest...nor an explanation of those single women and what they are to do

I think single women are to tend to their relationship with God, primarily.

I Corinthians 7:34 "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband."

[TRFrance]

Ms Bratt,
I might be assuming here somewhat... but I'm guessing that what he meant was that he felt that he, as a man, is/should be in a position of spiritual leadership in his home.

I happen to agree with that. If the spiritual leadership and example is coming more from the woman than the man, something is wrong...especially if they have kids. Kids need to see dad being that "high priest" of the home, so to speak--being a good example to his sons, (as to what to emulate), and to his daughters (as to what qualities to respect and look up to in a man).

At least whenever I've heard anyone use that term, that's the meaning I always took from it,based on what they seemed to mean by that.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Ms Bratt,
I might be assuming here somewhat... but I'm guessing that he meant that he felt that he, as a man, is/should be in a position of spiritual leadership in his home.

I happen to agree with that. If the spiritual leadership and example is coming more from the woman than the man, something is wrong...especially if they have kids. Kids need to see dad being that "high priest" of the home, so to speak--being a good example to his sons, (as to what to emulate), and to his daughters (as to what qualities to respect and look up to in a man).

At least whenever I've heard anyone use that term, that's the meaning I always took from it,based on what they seemed to mean by that.

Good post, I agree. A man should lead the entire household by example.

I just don't like the part that seems to mean that a woman is dependent upon her husband (to some extent) for her relationship with God.

Hebrews 4:14-16 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. ...For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. ....Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

I don't want my posts to be misunderstood as questioning the husband's authority. I'm pretty old fashioned about roles within the home, so that's not what this thread is about.

I've just always felt that my relationship with God is autonomous of my husband. e.g., if something were to happen to my husband, I would still have my God.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

But is this true in the New Testament church? Must I go through my husband to get to God? Or my father? What if my husband or my father is an unbeliever?



I understand the scriptures about vows. Someday I may use that--LOL--maybe my husband can get me out of a few promises. (jk!)

But what does this have to do with being a "priest." I guess I"m not getting the concept at all. In our home, my husband and I both live for God, we both pray, we both study, and we're both faithful to church. We hold one another accountable to some extent...but it's more of a two-way street.

Okay, so tell me this: Apply the idea of "priest of the home" to a marriage today, in the New Testament church age, and offer scriptures that will help explain it.

I am not being argumentative, and I do believe in a man having authority over the home, but I really am not wrapping my head around this concept.

It seemed like my [relative] was saying that if a man was displeased with his wife, he could stand between her and God, or that she had to answer to him, and he would answer to God for her--or SOMEthing like that!

Miss Brattfield, in my own understanding of God, he is a God of Order.. he loves and established recognized authority... the scriptures teach us that all authority comes from God... God would not deal with Israel directly, he always dealt with them through their Spiritual head, their Prophet He does nothing that he doesnt reveal first to DIVINE AUTHORITY.. the Prophets.... Now,, bring it to the home.... There is ONE HEAD that God recognizes in the home... everyone else in the home is RECOGNIZED in the HEAD... for example... when God sees you and I.. he doesn't see us does he? No, he sees us THROUGH OUR HEAD... JESUS... he sees us in CHRIST... Now when God looks at Christ.. if we are IN CHRIST then he can see us in the Beloved... However, if we are outside of Christ. he does not even recognize our existence... we are dead to him....... it is the same way in the home.. which GOD instituted.. if man is the HEAD of the home.. does God recognize the rest the household individually or through their submission to the head of the home?

If you will notice that we are called the SONS OF GOD.. you will not one reference to the daughters of God in scripture? Why because the daughters are recognized in the Sons....

Why, because Gods plan does not include daughters, it includes only SONS... the SONS OF GOD...... are women not included in the Sons of God? Of course they are but only in their submission,, this is one of my main reasons for believing its wrong for a woman to cut her hair because she is publically rebelling against her husbands authority....

This is why I personally believe the husband is the Priest of the home... also we have NT reference to a home having a "strongman"

Matt 12:29 - Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

The above scripture tells us clearly that there must be one who is the place of priesthood to protect the home

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I just don't like the part that seems to mean that a woman is dependent upon her husband (to some extent) for her relationship with God.

No NT scripture for that at all.

And Gal 3:28 seems to clearly indicate otherwise:

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

as does Phil 2:12

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

[Steve Epley]

The man should be the spiritual leader since he is the head however the husband is NOT the priest of the home, WE both men and women are part of the royal priesthood. How many women has interceded for theoir families both husbands and children. The concept is NOT NT theology. Husbands and Fathers SHOULD be leaders in spiritual things but...........................thank God for good godly women.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Miss Brattfield, in my own understanding of God, he is a God of Order.. he loves and established recognized authority... the scriptures teach us that all authority comes from God... God would not deal with Israel directly, he always dealt with them through their Spiritual head, their Prophet He does nothing that he doesnt reveal first to DIVINE AUTHORITY.. the Prophets.... Now,, bring it to the home.... There is ONE HEAD that God recognizes in the home... everyone else in the home is RECOGNIZED in the HEAD... for example... when God sees you and I.. he doesn't see us does he? No, he sees us THROUGH OUR HEAD... JESUS... he sees us in CHRIST... Now when God looks at Christ.. if we are IN CHRIST then he can see us in the Beloved... However, if we are outside of Christ. he does not even recognize our existence... we are dead to him....... it is the same way in the home.. which GOD instituted.. if man is the HEAD of the home.. does God recognize the rest the household individually or through their submission to the head of the home?

If you will notice that we are called the SONS OF GOD.. you will not one reference to the daughters of God in scripture? Why because the daughters are recognized in the Sons....

Why, because Gods plan does not include daughters, it includes only SONS... the SONS OF GOD...... are women not included in the Sons of God? Of course they are but only in their submission,, this is one of my main reasons for believing its wrong for a woman to cut her hair because she is publically rebelling against her husbands authority....

This is why I personally believe the husband is the Priest of the home... also we have NT reference to a home having a "strongman"

Matt 12:29 - Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

The above scripture tells us clearly that there must be one who is the place of priesthood to protect the home

So, can you explain this passage for us?

Galatians 3
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are ALLthe children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

No NT scripture for that at all.

And Gal 3:28 seems to clearly indicate otherwise:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

as does Phil 2:12

12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

Sorry, TR, I was posting mine as you were posting yours, lol.

Duplicate post, but I'll be interested to see DV's response.