Barack vows to disarm America

[Rico]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

So, seeking a ban on nuclear weapons, a global ban on fissile material and negotiating with Russia to take ICBMs off hair-trigger alert would be bad, right?
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Apparently so. I guess the thousands upon thousands of nuclear weapon we already have aren't enough. I wonder how many times over we should be able to wipe out the whole earth before we realize we have enough nuclear weapons?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why doesn't anyone point out when Obama says "I opposed THIS war from the beginning" he is speaking of the war WITH Iraq? That war is long over. We are in Nation building mode now and that requires internal police action. If we leave there now Iraq will crumble into total anarchy and war. In fact I believe if that did happen Iran would put it's hand in on a larger scale and then Saudi Arabia may end up taking counter measures. The price of oil then would be higher than anything you have yet seen

The tragic consequences of our troops having to be involved in "nation building" (while our nation slips farther and farther into financial ruin) was that our attention and money has been shifted from capturing Osama Bin Laden (remember him) and the continued struggle in Afghanistan.

We have been losing ground and troops in Afghanistan because our resources have been primarily going toward Iraq where the majority of the public wants us to leave.

This "nation building" farce has cost our country around 10 billion dollars a month, which we have been primarily borrowing from China to fund. How much longer can our nation sustain this type of spending before collapse?

General Casey stated this week that the army needed at least five years to recover from the war in Iraq, which has lasted longer than both World Wars! But, we have McCain, Lieberman and Bush wanting to go to war with Iran with our troops stretched thin and not prepared! They estimate that Iran, if they had the materials (which they don't) to develop nuclear weapons, was at least five to six years away from having the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb! Yet, those who love war have been building a case of fear in order to justify more killing of innocent women and children.

Amazing!

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Rico

Apparently so. I guess the thousands upon thousands of nuclear weapon we already have aren't enough. I wonder how many times over we should be able to wipe out the whole earth before we realize we have enough nuclear weapons?

Rico,

It's one of those things that doesn't make any sense, except for people bent on power and destruction.

CB1

[DanielR]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

The tragic consequences of our troops having to be involved in "nation building" (while our nation slips farther and farther into financial ruin) was that our attention and money has been shifted from capturing Osama Bin Laden (remember him) and the continued struggle in Afghanistan.

We have been losing ground and troops in Afghanistan because our resources have been primarily going toward Iraq where the majority of the public wants us to leave.

This "nation building" farce has cost our country around 10 billion dollars a month, which we have been primarily borrowing from China to fund. How much longer can our nation sustain this type of spending before collapse?

General Casey stated this week that the army needed at least five years to recover from the war in Iraq, which has lasted longer than both World Wars! But, we have McCain, Lieberman and Bush wanting to go to war with Iran with our troops stretched thin and not prepared! They estimate that Iran, if they had the materials (which they don't) to develop nuclear weapons, was at least five to six years away from having the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb! Yet, those who love war have been building a case of fear in order to justify more killing of innocent women and children.

Amazing!

I thought I was pretty much up to date, but I don't recall McCain, Lieberman or Bush ever stating that they wanted to go to war with Iran. But rather explaining the need for the UN (as in everyone) to deal with Iran diplomaticly. At any rate, I don't think Isreal will give the U.S. the oppertunity to go to war with Iran. It looks to me that a repeat of Isreal bombing Iran nuclear facilities is in the making. But that's is just speculation.

(I am not a Republican, nor do I play one on T.V.)

Actually, by the standard of our military presence providing security like we are doing in Iraq, we are still involved in WWII and South Korea because we still have a significant military presence in Germany and Korea, and to a lesser degree Japan. The Iraq "war" was over some years ago, but the security that we are providing as a new nation emerges may take several decades. I don't like it any better than the next guy, but I think it's time to bring the boys home from Germany and Korea before we complain too much about Iraq. The cold war has been over since the 80's, why are we still there?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

The tragic consequences of our troops having to be involved in "nation building" (while our nation slips farther and farther into financial ruin) was that our attention and money has been shifted from capturing Osama Bin Laden (remember him) and the continued struggle in Afghanistan.

We have been losing ground and troops in Afghanistan because our resources have been primarily going toward Iraq where the majority of the public wants us to leave.

This "nation building" farce has cost our country around 10 billion dollars a month, which we have been primarily borrowing from China to fund. How much longer can our nation sustain this type of spending before collapse?

General Casey stated this week that the army needed at least five years to recover from the war in Iraq, which has lasted longer than both World Wars! But, we have McCain, Lieberman and Bush wanting to go to war with Iran with our troops stretched thin and not prepared! They estimate that Iran, if they had the materials (which they don't) to develop nuclear weapons, was at least five to six years away from having the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb! Yet, those who love war have been building a case of fear in order to justify more killing of innocent women and children.

Amazing!

That is fine if that is the stated reason. Another farce is that we are in the same illegal war that Bush got us in....that is not what is happening.

Bush did not go into Iraq alone. He was backed by many Democrats and Republicans too. Not only that the Democrats that were on the same house committee that saw the same information Bush did and Colin Powell.

I would that we never had gone into Iraq. It was a financial and stratetic blunder IMO

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by DanielR

I thought I was pretty much up to date, but I don't recall McCain, Lieberman or Bush ever stating that they wanted to go to war with Iran. But rather explaining the need for the UN (as in everyone) to deal with Iran diplomaticly. At any rate, I don't think Isreal will give the U.S. the oppertunity to go to war with Iran. It looks to me that a repeat of Isreal bombing Iran nuclear facilities is in the making. But that's is just speculation.

(I am not a Republican, nor do I play one on T.V.)

Actually, by the standard of our military presence providing security like we are doing in Iraq, we are still involved in WWII and South Korea because we still have a significant military presence in Germany and Korea, and to a lesser degree Japan. The Iraq "war" was over some years ago, but the security that we are providing as a new nation emerges may take several decades. I don't like it any better than the next guy, but I think it's time to bring the boys home from Germany and Korea before we complain too much about Iraq. The cold war has been over since the 80's, why are we still there?

One just needs to read in the paper the plans for bombing Iran. Here is an interesting article regarding Olmert's visit to Washington recently where he discussed strategic plans on the response from an Iranian attack! Who actually believes that Iran has plans to attack Isreal or the US. It's just more saber-rattling from the officials who would rather go to war where countless innocent lives would be destroyed than to actually resolve the matter diplomatically. http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle20140.htm

Here is an excerpt regarding the plans that the Bush administration started a while ago regarding attacking Iran and the details on the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment :

The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.

…The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community, speaking anonymously, said last week that that the US plans an air strike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). The air strike would target the headquarters of the IRGC’s elite Quds force.

…The source said the White House views the proposed air strike as a limited action to punish Iran for its involvement in Iraq. The source, an ambassador during the administration of president H W Bush, did not provide details on the types of weapons to be used in the attack, nor on the precise stage of planning at this time. It is not known whether the White House has already consulted with allies about the air strike, or if it plans to do so.

The Kyl-Lieberman Amendment passed last September, named for the other senator from Arizona and everyone’s favorite independent Democrat. The amendment declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, and was meant as a clear signal to Bush that he could proceed with any strategy he saw fit. Iran: Bush’s Nuclear Option for a McCain Victory
Trish | May. 27, 2008

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is fine if that is the stated reason. Another farce is that we are in the same illegal war that Bush got us in....that is not what is happening.

Bush did not go into Iraq alone. He was backed by many Democrats and Republicans too. Not only that the Democrats that were on the same house committee that saw the same information Bush did and Colin Powell.

I would that we never had gone into Iraq. It was a financial and stratetic blunder IMO

I completely agree with you, Prax.

Though it may be true that we were no longer fighting the same "illegal war" in Iraq, it sure has felt like a continuation of war with so many people still dying.

[TRFrance]

Translation: I will be the most left wing, socialistic president ever in the history of our great nation!

If this man gets voted president, it will be a sad day for America.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Translation: I will be the most left wing, socialistic president ever in the history of our great nation!

If this man gets voted president, it will be a sad day for America.

From what I understand, his voting record is about the most liberal in Washington DC.

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Translation: I will be the most left wing, socialistic president ever in the history of our great nation!

If this man gets voted president, it will be a sad day for America.

Ditto and amen.