Question For My Oneness Friends...

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Read this passage of scripture carefully and think about what you're reading.

Rev 5:1 - 7:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
NIV

A couple of questions. First of all, who is the Lamb? He's Jesus... I believe we can all agree on that, right?

But notice, it says that He (the Lamb, Jesus) came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. Now who is it that's sitting on the throne that Jesus, the Lamb is taking the scroll from?

Just wondering what your answers may be...

It's all figurative language.

1)God doesn't have a right hand. Right hand is a anthropomorphism that represents a place of power and authority.
2)God doesn't have a literal throne that He can sit on because He is a Spirit and heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool. The heaven of heavens cannot contain Him. The throne in heaven was specifically made for Jesus Christ to sit upon.
3) John is literally seeing a vision of a Lamb before a throne in heaven. Yes, the Lamb represents Jesus but the entire scene is figurative or symbollic.


AG, How many divine persons will you see in heaven?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Read this passage of scripture carefully and think about what you're reading.

Rev 5:1 - 7:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
NIV

A couple of questions. First of all, who is the Lamb? He's Jesus... I believe we can all agree on that, right?

But notice, it says that He (the Lamb, Jesus) came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. Now who is it that's sitting on the throne that Jesus, the Lamb is taking the scroll from?

Just wondering what your answers may be...

First of all you have to realize this is all a vision. It's very symbolic.

For example, while you recognize the lamb is Jesus...John saw a lamb...baaa baaa. John saw a lamb as it had been slain. He did not see Jesus.

The fact that he uses lamb as a reference points to the human savior who died on the cross. While in identity one might argue "God died", in Divine essence and nature God did NOT die. The lamb represents His human Being.

This was not meant to teach a lesson on the Godhead. However it does illustrate the distinctions.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Great answer!!! That's about as sharp as a bowling ball!

FogHorn!

[Cindy]

Where is Daniel?

[Brother Price]

Remember, revelation is symbolic. It is a vision. The Lamb represents the sacrificial death that Christ suffered at Calvary. John said he saw the Lamb standing between the throne and the four living creatures, representing intercession. Since His blood had been shed at Calvary, He alone was worthy to open the scrolls. This was a vision of the symbolism of Christ's sacrifice being accepted before God for our sins, and the mysteries of the end being revealed.

It does not prove a trinity of gods, a trinity of persons making up God. How could this be? Jesus said in John 4:24 that God is a Spirit (Spiritual Being). A Spirit is just that, a spirit. He is not divided, but is one spirit, omnipresent.

One God.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Read this passage of scripture carefully and think about what you're reading.

Rev 5:1 - 7:Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
NIV

A couple of questions. First of all, who is the Lamb? He's Jesus... I believe we can all agree on that, right?

But notice, it says that He (the Lamb, Jesus) came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. Now who is it that's sitting on the throne that Jesus, the Lamb is taking the scroll from?

Just wondering what your answers may be...

It's real simple Brother, Jesus has a body now just as he had on Earth, when He took "the finger of God (which is the Holy Ghost) and used it to cast out devils. The source of Jesus' deity is God the Father, (who is a Spirit who made himself a man). Remember what Abraham said to Issac? "My son, God will provide himself, a lamb....". God did exactly that He made himself (into) a man, but He did not cease to be a Spirit.

[JamDat]

Well, well, and all you trinity sympathizers here wonder how people like Rico and I believed in a tri-unity before. The original post here should open the eyes of a lot of you people here.

Trinity and oneness are not the same like you would like to trick some into believing. While all their creeds may sound angelic they are doctrines of the devil.

[Bro-Larry]

The original post seems sincere enough to me. I thought it was an honest question.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

The original post seems sincere enough to me. I thought it was an honest question.

I'm really not sure whether is, or it isn't.
I wondered if it might have been a bit of a "bait" question, thrown into the shark tank, so to speak.

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But to the original poster I ask... what is YOUR understanding of that passage?

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'm really not sure whether is, or it isn't.
I wondered if it might have been a bit of a "bait" question, thrown into the shark tank, so to speak.

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But to the original poster I ask... what is YOUR understanding of that passage?

TR

I know AG has mentioned that he was a member of Marvin Treece's church for years. However, I also saw him write that he now considers himself a trinitarian.