Personal Convictions

[TRFrance]

Unfortunately, some ministers take personal convictions, and try to preach them as doctrine.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where do personal convinctions come from? I was reading a poster talking about it being wrong to go against the or rebellious...as though God is the one that made them..

But if that were true that would mean God has different laws for different people and that would mean the bible is NOT our sole rule of faith, but that our faith can be arbitrary and be different from person to person

I think that personal convictions come from a daily walk with God, where He "checks" us about certain things. We all have different weaknesses, and personality traits, and I think He deals with us individually and personally, so yes, not our "faith", but our walk can be arbitrary and different from person to person.

Those things that are laid out in scripture, we don't need a "conviction" about--we just need to be obedient. God's Word is to be obeyed, whether we understand it or not. All the rest is variable, not only from person to person, but from culture to culture, era to era, country to country, church to church.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why would it NOT be any different with God? Does the word of God say this is so? The thing is we are warned about comparing God to other things. How can we decide what God is like by making a comparison to ourselves? This is the fallacy that some of the Universal Reconciliationists fall into. They reason "God is like me or I am like God, so therefore if I would save everyone even Hitler then God must think like I do and thus it must be true"

The other thing is what you said here is simply not comparable to begin with. We are talking about Eternal things compared to temporal things. We are talking about heaven and hell issues compared to what you are talking about. Personal convictions are PERSONAL. They are from ourselves, not from God

Why make the above statement, and then ask how they can be different from person to person? If they are from "ourselves", and each person is created uniquely by God, then how can their personal convictions not be as unique as their personality?

By the way, it is not a fallacy that God is like me because I am like God. We are created in His image, so many things we find in ourselves, we will also find in God. Take away the weaknesses, and we are usually a reflection of our creator. Sure, some take it too far, but in and of itself it is fair to say that we are created in His image. Scripture illustrates the similarities between God and His creation numerous times.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that personal convictions come from a daily walk with God, where He "checks" us about certain things. We all have different weaknesses, and personality traits, and I think He deals with us individually and personally, so yes, not our "faith", but our walk can be arbitrary and different from person to person.

Those things that are laid out in scripture, we don't need a "conviction" about--we just need to be obedient. God's Word is to be obeyed, whether we understand it or not. All the rest is variable, not only from person to person, but from culture to culture, era to era, country to country, church to church.

Yeah. What she said.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In your example, this is not necessarily a conviction from God, but a smart thing to do. It does not become a law unto himself that is a sin against God that others do not have to obey.

Rather it is a smart thing to do. It is a GOOD thing for him to do. It is the WISE thing to do. But that is far from making it a sin against God.

In your example it makes more sense though. But in talking about standards it just does not make much sense that God convicts some women to wear their hair up and others not to.

That's why we should have respect for each other, and love one another. Paul talked about this very problem when he said that some eat meat, and some don't. We are still brothers and sisters, and we should respect the convictions of others that differ from us.

It doesn't make sense to me that someone would say eating meat is an unchristian thing to do, but apparently Paul dealt with just such a problem, and his solution was to love one another, and try not to offend one another with your differences.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rico

Yeah. What she said.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, God saves us as individuals, with our own strengths and weaknesses. I don't believe God uses a cookie cutter approach with us, other than the initial entry requirements.

While this is true God saves us as individuals God still saves us based on what the bible says.

This argument can be used for moral relativism. Someone can say "Well what is true for you might not be true for me. God does not use a cookie cutter approach, so I can be gay and God is fine with it where as for that is not fine"

This is why I made my argument about sola scriptura.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

That's why we should have respect for each other, and love one another. Paul talked about this very problem when he said that some eat meat, and some don't. We are still brothers and sisters, and we should respect the convictions of others that differ from us.

It doesn't make sense to me that someone would say eating meat is an unchristian thing to do, but apparently Paul dealt with just such a problem, and his solution was to love one another, and try not to offend one another with your differences.

Right, but that is beside the point. I am not saying it's wrong to have a personal conviction. Im asking whether it is something GOD gave you or something that is infact.....personal.

I don't believe in Paul's example God made a rule for one person and a rule for another.

Paul was not dealing with someone that something was unchristian. In fact he was saying it was a matter of faith. One persons faith was not able to handle something like eating foods offered to idols and another could handle it....but all that is really totally beside the point of this thread.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Why make the above statement, and then ask how they can be different from person to person?

I didn't ask "how can they be different from person to person".

My point was that PERSONAL convictions are NOT from God. They are YOUR personal conviction. They are therefore NOT necessarily a sin nor are they God saying something is a sin for one person and not for another. That is my point

If they are from "ourselves", and each person is created uniquely by God, then how can their personal convictions not be as unique as their personality?

I never SAID ANYTHING remotely like what you are trying to pin on me,

By the way, it is not a fallacy that God is like me because I am like God. We are created in His image, so many things we find in ourselves, we will also find in God. Take away the weaknesses, and we are usually a reflection of our creator. Sure, some take it too far, but in and of itself it is fair to say that we are created in His image. Scripture illustrates the similarities between God and His creation numerous times.

Again you mis understand what I said. I said it is a FALLACY to argue God is or thinks a certain way because I do. There are people arguing for UR and stating it must be so because this is what I would do and God is LIKE me so God must also feel that way.

Homosexuals reason "I don't see anything wrong with being gay and I was made to be LIKE God so therefore GOD must think the same way".

But we are told by Him "My thoughts are not your thoughts"....thus it is a fallacy to compare what you believe, think and feel to God and reason if I am like this then GOD must be like this.

I never said, NOT ONCE, that we don't have similarities. You guys are really missing the point lol

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that personal convictions come from a daily walk with God, where He "checks" us about certain things. We all have different weaknesses, and personality traits, and I think He deals with us individually and personally, so yes, not our "faith", but our walk can be arbitrary and different from person to person.

Those things that are laid out in scripture, we don't need a "conviction" about--we just need to be obedient. God's Word is to be obeyed, whether we understand it or not. All the rest is variable, not only from person to person, but from culture to culture, era to era, country to country, church to church.

maybe we should define what a Personal Conviction is. Im talking about those things people thing are wrong to do or not do...that are a sin to do or not do that are not spelled out in the word.