Disturbing Incident~Spiritual Immaturity~

[Cookin-with-Stoneking]

Originally Posted by StMark

It happens and I've heard worse. There have been more than one incident of people even getting shot to death at church.

we had to call the cops more than once.

my father pastored for 47 years and the things I can remember are astounding. Once there was an incident that you described and the man told my dad to (*****) and had to be restrained etc. Let me tell you, we see him around town pushing a cart, he's homeless, lives under a bridge adn his teeth are rotted out of his head from Drugs. You just give it time and watch and see what happens to people like this who wont repent.

we once had a man who got mad at the church and started spraying graffitti on our new church building. this went on for over a year. we knew who it was but we did nothing but Pray. I am not kidding, he ended up with a bullet in his head, murdered.

I know it can shatter your nerves, but we have no other choice but to trust in God. we just lost a 25 yr old in Iraq. sometimes I have to catch myself asking God "why one of ours" but I'm going to believe that God knows the beginning from the end better then we do

Appreciate your input, God is definetly in control

[Cookin-with-Stoneking]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

CWS and Mark, check your posts for cursing as per the rules of AFF.

It was not gratitious, but for realism.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

CWS and Mark, check your posts for cursing as per the rules of AFF.

was it against the rules how I worded it?? I thought i was careful.

one of the admins will let me know I'm sure

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Cookin-with-Stoneking

It was not gratitious, but for realism.

I understand.
Still for the case of not being reported to Admin and maybe receiving an infraction, if you can't edit they would probably be happy to edit for you.

[Cindy]

Just don't want y'all to maybe get an infraction for it Mark.

[Cindy]

CWS, I think this is way beyond a case of spiritual immaturity.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Just don't want y'all to maybe get an infraction for it Mark.

yikes! it would be my second one in a week LOL

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I understand.
Still for the case of not being reported to Admin and maybe receiving an infraction, if you can't edit they would probably be happy to edit for you.

I changed the posts.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Cookin-with-Stoneking

Background: I was recently involved in a church discipline situation dealing with a couple that have numerous run-ins with other members of the church, even to the point of threatening and attempting physical violence. The church leadership has on numerous attempts tried to help them, counseling, leadership restrictions, etc. This church is a non-UPC church, but adheres to the basic UPC doctrines of Salvation and view of God. There isn't a culture of outward holiness standards, but a typical orthodox OP church. Some members come from the UPC, some through other streams of Christian faith.

Here is the disturbing incident, yours truly (Cookin-with-Stoneking) sat in with a Pastor to discuss the latest incident with this angry couple. After listening to the couple yell out their one-sided perspective about how another family in the church has done them wrong, out to undermine their latest business venture and how that the Pastor did not intervene or doing anything to prevent it.

After hearing the Pastor say that it wasn't the way that he saw it, the man jumped up, screamed I am out of here, proceeded to kick a trash can, kick the door, all the time screaming obscenities and profanity at the Pastor, saying to him as well that your no man of God, you're ******, you're trash and I don't have respect for you and if you were not a OLD MAN I would come over there and put you in your place.

The Pastor most likely unwise to do so told the man Goodbye and waved his hand, this inflamed the man more and he charged the man, to assault the Pastor, yours truly did his best to stand in the way of the rather large angry man. This did work to deter him from psychically assaulting him, but then he said that he was leaving and proceeded to grab some personnel sound equipment that he left at the church.

Now what was most disturbing as the man was leaving he proceeded to cuss out the Pastor for having those (bad word) Trinitarians and other (bad word) around here (a large singing family of AOG lineage was at the church recently doing a concert).

What a disconnect!

This family had no problem being rebellious, threaten physical violence against an elder minister, cursing all long angry that Trinitarians were ministering in the church.


It left me wandering what kind of disciples are we producing, they know doctrine, confess to have the HG but have become a habitation of demons when it comes to personal relationships and getting along with others. This preacher is quite disturbed.

Was this an isolated event or a symptom of a real disconnect between the weightier matters in the spiritual life of a present day believers?

Just goes to show knowledge of facts does not equal conversion.

People like that spend their time judging and criticizing others while neglecting their own spiritual needs

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

CWS, I think this is way beyond a case of spiritual immaturity.

I agree.
This is more like spiritual corruption than spiritual immaturity.