Lavish Lifestyle Ministry Spending

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Joelel

This Is a very important subject concerning our dress and the owning of worldly things. The scripture teaches love not the world or the things of the world, If any person loves the world and the things of the world the love of the father is not in him.

The scripture Is very clear about we are not to dress ourselves in anything that is expensive. If we are not to dress in expensive dress then we are not to own anything expensive. We are also not to own anything we don't need.

The bible say with food and raiment we are to be content.In the bible using the word gold we understand that we are not to dress in expensive dress. A meek spirit don't wear or own expensive things.

Note here the scripture says gold and pearls or costly array. It don't say jewelry, although jewelry is extreme dressing and a lot is costly.We are to sell everything we don't have need of and give to the poor.

1 Peter 3:3: Whose adorning( Dressing) let it not be that outward adorning( Dressing) of plaiting the hair, (Interweaving and knotting of the hair) and of wearing of gold,(Expensive things) or of putting on of (expensive) apparel;
: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

1 Tim.2:9: In like manner also, that women adorn (Dress) themselves in modest (descent,not extreme) apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Acts2:44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need


Acts4:32: And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33: And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34: Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35: And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


1 Tim.5: Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.6: But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7: For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.8: And having food and raiment let us be therewith content

Math.6:19: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

1 Tim.6:17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;[18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;[19] Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life

Your just jealous.









j/k

[Encryptus]

You heard it here. Big cars ok as long as you drive them in cheap clothes.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

You heard it here. Big cars ok as long as you drive them in cheap clothes.

That's just downright funny.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

You heard it here. Big cars ok as long as you drive them in cheap clothes.

Yep, drive those Caddy's to the welfare office.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Sam

Actually, by designating certain ministries and churches as being tax exempt, the revenue which would have come from their income and property taxes has to be made up for by the taxpayers. Isn't this a form of government subsidy of religion?

I think one of the problems with Kenneth Copeland's ministry is an airplane which is owned by the "corporation" for transporting ministers, etc, but it has been used in the past for private use.

Anything the government has the ability to tax, it has the right to control. Say a resounding "NO" to the government taxing churches.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Rico

Anything the government has the ability to tax, it has the right to control. Say a resounding "NO" to the government taxing churches.

Actually, It might be argued they have MORE control over them since there tax exempt status can be challenged and removed if they don't "walk the chalk line".

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Actually, It might be argued they have MORE control over them since there tax exempt status can be challenged and removed if they don't "walk the chalk line".

Ahh shuddup already, ya troublemaker!



Actually, I've heard people make that argument before. They say the government uses the threat of taking away the tax exempt status to keep preachers from using the pulpit for political reasons. Doesn't seem to stop some preachers though. Where there's a will there is a way!

Reminds me of the pastor I had during the Bush/Gore campaign battle. He never actually endorsed either candidate. He did, however, say, "If things go the wrong way, it could get pretty gorey. I'm hoping God sets another bush on fire!" Pretty slick, huh?

[StMark]

The days for man's kingdom is coming to end and most of the ministry doesn't even see it. They are still living in the 80s and 90s. I believe a reality check is on the way though.


Personally, I don't think a pastor should drive an overly extravegant car.Especially in this day and age when more and more people don't trust pastors. The bible says to let your moderation be KNOWN to all men


I just read where the majority of americans trust their bar tender more then they do pastors

[Joie]

Originally Posted by StMark

The days for man's kingdom is coming to end and most of the ministry doesn't even see it. They are still living in the 80s and 90s. I believe a reality check is on the way though.


Personally, I don't think a pastor should drive an overly extravegant car.Especially in this day and age when more and more people don't trust pastors. The bible says to let your moderation be KNOWN to all men


I just read where the majority of americans trust their bar tender more then they do pastors

But, but, buttttttttt, Brother, those with a pastor are at a bar????
Something is not working!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Joie

But, but, buttttttttt, Brother, those with a pastor are at a bar????
Something is not working!

No, they were not church going people. their perception of pastors was money grubbing, lavish living, or preist how molest little boys, scandalist life styles, phoenies, etc.

some of it might be an excuse but there's another part of me that understands why they feel this way. the church as a whole bright this on themselves