WWPF Update

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Thinking

Recently I heard the wpf have a total membership of 250-300. That was second hand information, but I believe it to be reliable.

From an impeccable source, I heard very recently the UPCI lost 63 ministers. But with the number of new ministers that have been added, this official told me, the UPCI now has more ministers and more constituents than at any other time in its history.

Trust God continues to bless us all.

If these figures are accurate it would seem that the WWPF has drawn more members from the GIB or other org.'s than the UPC. That is very interesting.

I fully expected them to pull in about 300 UPC preachers based on preliminary reports of the Tulsa Convocation.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by CC1

Bishoph,

Of those 600 members in Branson do you know how many are actually WWPF members?

I cannot definitively say, as I was not at the meeting myself, however I have been told by some of the WPF officials that ministers/Pastors are joining on an ongoing basis.

Originally Posted by Thinking

Recently I heard the wpf have a total membership of 250-300. That was second hand information, but I believe it to be reliable.

From an impeccable source, I heard very recently the UPCI lost 63 ministers. But with the number of new ministers that have been added, this official told me, the UPCI now has more ministers and more constituents than at any other time in its history.

Trust God continues to bless us all.

This figure of 63 is not entirely accurate. (I am not questioning the veracity of the person you are quoting, I am simply making a statement concerning how information is received, perceived, and distributed.) The UPCI has unofficially - officially stated different numbers and this is the latest (I might add the highest) number to be released. When the officials make these statements they are referring to those who have turned in their cards or allowed their dues to lapse, who have notified the UPCI that they are doing so as a direct result of the vote in Tampa. What they are not saying is how many have dropped for non-payment with no explanation. (They can legitimately say they have no proof it was because of Tampa or some other reason.)

I can assure you, I personally know more than 63 people who have dropped from the roles, some of which have not joined the WPF at this time. (And may never)

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I cannot definitively say, as I was not at the meeting myself, however I have been told by some of the WPF officials that ministers/Pastors are joining on an ongoing basis.



This figure of 63 is not entirely accurate. (I am not questioning the veracity of the person you are quoting, I am simply making a statement concerning how information is received, perceived, and distributed.) The UPCI has unofficially - officially stated different numbers and this is the latest (I might add the highest) number to be released. When the officials make these statements they are referring to those who have turned in their cards or allowed their dues to lapse, who have notified the UPCI that they are doing so as a direct result of the vote in Tampa. What they are not saying is how many have dropped for non-payment with no explanation. (They can legitimately say they have no proof it was because of Tampa or some other reason.)

I can assure you, I personally know more than 63 people who have dropped from the roles, some of which have not joined the WPF at this time. (And may never)

Well, including my pastor I know of three men that have turned in their cards in the last 9 months. Of course they thought the UPC was too strict.

[Thinking]

Bishop

I don't know of anyone who disagrees that more than 63 persons have dropped from the UPC. I believe, as you implied in your previous paragraph, the 63 are people who are known to have withdrawn because of the Tampa vote. It does seem that more independent preachers or those from organizations other than the UPCI make up the wpf.

I'm interested in your opinion concerning the statement that the UPCI now has more ministers and constituents than ever before. Some call this "spin."

[Blaylock]

From the main man this weekend Bishop Haney told us that 79 Pastors have left directly because of res#4 with a total of 49 churches.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I cannot definitively say, as I was not at the meeting myself, however I have been told by some of the WPF officials that ministers/Pastors are joining on an ongoing basis.



This figure of 63 is not entirely accurate. (I am not questioning the veracity of the person you are quoting, I am simply making a statement concerning how information is received, perceived, and distributed.) The UPCI has unofficially - officially stated different numbers and this is the latest (I might add the highest) number to be released. When the officials make these statements they are referring to those who have turned in their cards or allowed their dues to lapse, who have notified the UPCI that they are doing so as a direct result of the vote in Tampa. What they are not saying is how many have dropped for non-payment with no explanation. (They can legitimately say they have no proof it was because of Tampa or some other reason.)

I can assure you, I personally know more than 63 people who have dropped from the roles, some of which have not joined the WPF at this time. (And may never)

A WPF cheerleader who used to post here told us that the leaders of the WPF had to get others to preach their services the Sunday following the WPF meet because they hundreds of applications to process right then.

Then when you look at the sermon times and dates on the leader's web site you see that he preached his own Sunday morning service that week. Exaggerated and hype was all that was really behind this thing. They exaggerated about the "backsliding" of the UPC and spread some of the most mean spirited hype against their own brothers; then they hyped and exaggerated their own success at recruitment. Then they sent someone off to recruit among UPC and other Apostolic churches in the Phillippines so that they could have a "foreign missions department" to brag on.

[AmazingGrace]

Brother,

There were so many lies told in the name of numbers when this thing first started that it is unreal. Time is and indeed will tell the story.

[Blubayou]

Originally Posted by Blaylock

From the main man this weekend Bishop Haney told us that 79 Pastors have left directly because of res#4 with a total of 49 churches.

Thank you Br. for this information. I had a friend that attended a funeral in eastern Mississippi a couple of weeks ago- some official stated that their area had been hit pretty hard by the movement. He gave a number, but I cannot remember it now. (senior moment I guess!)

[Sam]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Brother,

There were so many lies told in the name of numbers when this thing first started that it is unreal. Time is and indeed will tell the story.

not to condone the WWPF's looseness with numbers,
but,
they aren't the only ones to play that game.

Sunday School attendance numbers and revival statistics have been exaggerated (lie about) for years. We call that "evangelistically speaking."

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Sam

not to condone the WWPF's looseness with numbers,
but,
they aren't the only ones to play that game.

Sunday School attendance numbers and revival statistics have been exaggerated (lie about) for years. We call that "evangelistically speaking."

Oh I know... WPF's was just very very loud and obvious, Not saying either are right.. its just that when you make that much noise... then have nothing to show for it its sad