Gods Sovereignty

[Newman]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Newman, we are not talking about God telling Moses that he is going to destroy the Israelites, and then not doing so because of being entreated by Moses. We are talking about foundational salvation teachings. The very core of our systematic beliefs hangs upon our interpretation of the born again experience. IF I give the loophole that God is sovereign, and can go contrary to it, then how can I say it is the only way. To me if my understanding gives way that God may do something contrary to his Word in order to save in this new testament era, then I open a big door for God to change and save Muslims as they are because he chooses to. Either Jesus is the only way, or he is not.

I know you understand what I am trying to say here.

BTW - It is good to see you posting some.

1. Moses entreating God for the Israelites is but one incident. Can you think of others?

2. Acts 2:38 is the KNOWN way.

3. Muslims who don't know Jesus saved? I think one finds that God's sovereign intervention in the OT was to those that called on Him not Allah.

Thanks for the welcome but I can't stay!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Can you be more clear? Will speaking in tongues accompany the infilling of the Holy Ghost?

Well, the "initial" evidence is Speaking in tongues.
The Bible says that Paul thanked God that he talked in tongues more than you all.

The Bible does go on that in your devotions you can speak in tongues.
So yes, it is evidence of the Spirit's indwelling.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. Moses entreating God for the Israelites is but one incident. Can you think of others?

2. Acts 2:38 is the KNOWN way.

3. Muslims who don't know Jesus saved? I think one finds that God's sovereign intervention in the OT was to those that called on Him not Allah.

Thanks for the welcome but I can't stay!

Hezekiah's prayer, Jonah and Nineveh.....But I don't see Jesus saying you must be born again and then the disciples in the book of Acts saying something different to those who believed....Peter, Paul, and John all taught regeneration.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Hezekiah's prayer, Jonah and Nineveh.....

Good beginning but there are many more examples....

But I don't see Jesus saying you must be born again and then the disciples in the book of Acts saying something different to those who believed....Peter, Paul, and John all taught regeneration.

In the OT God spoke and the prophets said the same thing. But God ultimately did what He chose.

[Steve Epley]

Matt I am a fervent water & Spirit man and I do NOT believe in the light doctrine the ONLY saving message from Pentecost until now is Acts 2:38 period. I certainly am not a 'loop hole" guy but IF(that is a big IF) at the judgment God who wrote the law has mercy on some that are without the law then what could we say??? The lawgiver certainly has the right to give any exemption He would deem. Do I think He will?? I have NO scripture for it. Do I think He can???? He is God and judgment belongs to Him alone. Just a thought.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Matt I am a fervent water & Spirit man and I do NOT believe in the light doctrine the ONLY saving message from Pentecost until now is Acts 2:38 period. I certainly am not a 'loop hole" guy but IF(that is a big IF) at the judgment God who wrote the law has mercy on some that are without the law then what could we say??? The lawgiver certainly has the right to give any exemption He would deem. Do I think He will?? I have NO scripture for it. Do I think He can???? He is God and judgment belongs to Him alone. Just a thought.

Hehehe I think we just said the same thing in different words.

[seguidordejesus]

Bro. Epley's a softie! J/k!!!!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Newman

Good beginning but there are many more examples....



In the OT God spoke and the prophets said the same thing. But God ultimately did what He chose.

Do you think the instances of God changing his mind in the OT are loopholes in the law or the word of God?

Do you think the words of Christ when he said you must be born again can be circumvented by a loophole? Is not all the mercy of God bound up by faith in his Son under the new convenant?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think the instances of God changing his mind in the OT are loopholes in the law or the word of God?

Do you think the words of Christ when he said you must be born again can be circumvented by a loophole? Is not all the mercy of God bound up by faith in his Son under the new convenant?

A loophole is where one party figures out a way to get around what both parties agreed to. That is not what we are talking about.

God is sovereign. He can show mercy to whomever He wants.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Newman

A loophole is where one party figures out a way to get around what both parties agreed to. That is not what we are talking about.

God is sovereign. He can show mercy to whomever He wants.

That is true.
Once God has entered into a covenant with Mankind (Acts 2:38) he is bound to keep that word.

Anything outside that is at his mercy.