It Is Finished!!

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Ok I have a good question for yall considering this...

My uncle used to be a upc pastor... and left about 20 yrs ago and since has just been OUT there somewhere! At my grandparents funeral I noticed he and his wife were both wearing lapel pins that were comas... When we asked them what they were he proceeded to explain to us that in the bible where it says.. It is finished... that that exact phrase is followed by a coma so that their pastor has been studying this out and it means that it is not finished... His word is not irrefutable... His words are not complete... We are to continue writing the bible the way we see fit... and that We are to make the Bible our book and to our own understanding it should be recompiled???? Has anyone else heard this insanity???

There were no commas in the old Greek manuscripts. They were all added when the Bible was translated into English.

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

There were no commas in the old Greek manuscripts. They were all added when the Bible was translated into English.

This is what my husband explained to them... but they have decided they can add to and change and do whatever because their bible has a coma in it!

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

At the cross, everything was finished. Since the cross and resurrection, everything has been done. Jesus has already provided everything we will ever need, both in this life and in the world to come, and placed it in your born-again spirit. Why is God resting? Why is Jesus "set down"? Because everything has been done. IT IS FINISHED!!!

If you are a hope'n and a pray'n, and a begg'n for God to do something for you, you are behind the curve. If you are "bombarding heaven", you're just waisting time and breath. Whatever you need is not in heaven, it's down here on the Earth, in your own born-again spirit. God has already given it to you. You don't have to ask if it is God's will for you to have it. God has already said "yes" to all your need. God has already done everything He is ever going to do about your healing, your provision, about your children being saved, etc. (II Pet 1:3-4) IT IS FINISHED!!!

Ever notice that the apostles never prayed for God to heal anybody, after the cross and resurrection of Jesus? They would sometimes pray and then they would command them to be healed or raised from the dead. When Peter raised Tabitha from the dead, he turned his back on the dead body, knelt down and prayed. Then he turned to the body and said, "Tabitha, arise". (Acts 9:40) IT IS FINISHED!!!

We should pray for ENLIGHTENMENT, wisdom, knowledge, and revelation, so that we may know what God has already provided for us through the finished work of Jesus. (Eph 1:16-20) That's how you get what you need, to flow from your spirit to your physical: "through the knowledge of Him." (II Pet 1:3) The more you see what God has provided, the more it will flow to your physical body. IT IS FINISHED!!!

Jas 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Jas 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Thanks OP for posting. I see nothing in my post that contradicts that scripture. I'm not saying we should not pray for healing, etc. I'm just saying that one should understand that God has already said yes to everything He has promised. Actually God has already finished His works and He is resting. What remains is for us to enter into that rest.

God has already forgiven all the sins He is ever going to forgive. He has already healed all the diseases He is ever going to heal. He has already provided everything we will ever need in this life and the life to come.

I've seen many cases where it was implied that God is reluctant to provide the solution to a need. Such as the idea that the more people one can get praying for ones self, the better your chances of persuading God to move in ones own behalf. It seems to me that most people approach God with an implied attitude that He is reluctant to answer, until "somebody really gets under the burden and moves God" or "really bombards heaven", then God may or may not move.

James chapter five is just one of many ways, in the NT, to access those promises that God has already provided through Jesus.

I believe He has finished His work, and we need only to enter into it by faith.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Thanks OP for posting. I see nothing in my post that contradicts that scripture. I'm not saying we should not pray for healing, etc. I'm just saying that one should understand that God has already said yes to everything He has promised. Actually God has already finished His works and He is resting. What remains is for us to enter into that rest.

God has already forgiven all the sins He is ever going to forgive. He has already healed all the diseases He is ever going to heal. He has already provided everything we will ever need in this life and the life to come.

I've seen many cases where it was implied that God is reluctant to provide the solution to a need. Such as the idea that the more people one can get praying for ones self, the better your chances of persuading God to move in ones own behalf. It seems to me that most people approach God with an implied attitude that He is reluctant to answer, until "somebody really gets under the burden and moves God" or "really bombards heaven", then God may or may not move.

James chapter five is just one of many ways, in the NT, to access those promises that God has already provided through Jesus.

I believe He has finished His work, and we need only to enter into it by faith.

Yes, God has completed His plan for mankind a long, long time ago, He is not flying by the seat of His pants, or jerked around by every idea and whim of man. He started with the purpose of creation that truly reflects His image, and no wimpy satan or and other influence will hinder the completion, because from God's viewpoint it is a done deal! It is finished!!

Great post, BL

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Thanks OP for posting. I see nothing in my post that contradicts that scripture. I'm not saying we should not pray for healing, etc. I'm just saying that one should understand that God has already said yes to everything He has promised. Actually God has already finished His works and He is resting. What remains is for us to enter into that rest.

God has already forgiven all the sins He is ever going to forgive. He> has already healed all the diseases He is ever going to heal. He has already provided everything we will ever need in this life and the life to come.

I've seen many cases where it was implied that God is reluctant to provide the solution to a need. Such as the idea that the more people one can get praying for ones self, the better your chances of persuading God to move in ones own behalf. It seems to me that most people approach God with an implied attitude that He is reluctant to answer, until "somebody really gets under the burden and moves God" or "really bombards heaven", then God may or may not move.

James chapter five is just one of many ways, in the NT, to access those promises that God has already provided through Jesus.

I believe He has finished His work, and we need only to enter into it by faith.

Does the bible say that he is just resting?

1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

I don't believe that God has already forgiven all of the sins he is going to forgive, otherwise why write:

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I think it would be better to say that God has made a way for a person's sins to be forgiven if they do what he says to do.

He made the way and we have to enter in by faith and obedience to his word.

The effectual fervent prayer of a righteousman availeth much. I wonder if a half-hearted prayer would have the same effect?

The interesting thing about healing disease is that Paul once left a person sick in some city - i wonder why that is

2Ti 4:20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

Incidentally, although Cornelius was a devout man that feared God with all his household, prayed to God always, and gave much alms to the poor, he still wasn`t saved and God didn`t send someone to him to tell him how to be saved until after his prayers and alms had come up as a memorable unto God.

As well, Jesus in Luke 11 shows that one needs to knock and seek and to keep knocking and to keep seeking in persistence until one is filled with the Holy Ghost.

Finally...

Luk 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
Luk 18:2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
Luk 18:3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
Luk 18:4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
Luk 18:5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
Luk 18:6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
Luk 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

Some things God may not answer right away; does that mean we should give up or does that mean its because we do not have enough faith - no. Somethings we are not yet ready for, some things we may ask amiss, and some things God may be interested in how bad we want it; hence persistence in seeking and knocking until we are filled with the Holy Ghost. Did God send someone to Cornelius right away - no it took a while for his prayers and alms to come up as a memorial unto God.

God bless.

[mfblume]

Amen, it is finished.

By the same token, people still ask God to deliver and ask God to heal the sick, hwen HE GAVE US POWER TO DO THAT in His name. That is why Jesus told US to speak to the mountain and tyell it to go, not say, "God, can you please make this mountain go?"

I've heard people praying for demonically bound folks and ask GOD to deliver them. My oh my, He told US to command the devils to leave. Paul turned to the damsel possessed with a spirit of divination and told the demon to come out of her. He did not say, "God, please deliver this girl."

We do not use our authority enough!

[Bro-Larry]

Dear Brother, please understand that I intend to say nothing here except in the spitit of love. I also detect the same spirit in your post.

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Does the bible say that he is just resting?

Maybe He is playing a few rounds of Golf. Wonder what His handicap is? LOL .
The context of Heb 4:1-10 is about our need to enter into God's rest.
See vs3, "...the works were finished..."

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

I don't believe that God has already forgiven all of the sins he is going to forgive, otherwise why write:

Heb 10:12-14 says He offered one sacrifice for sins forever, then He sat down... and is expecting a footstool. (He's propping His feet up) TIC.

There's the whole idea right there: "one offering, for all sin, for all time, and now He is sat down resting."

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

I think it would be better to say that God has made a way for a person's sins to be forgiven if they do what he says to do
He made the way and we have to enter in by faith and obedience to his word.

I think that is basically the point of this thread's discussion. That forgiveness has already been done and is freely available to all who will come and receive.

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

The interesting thing about healing disease is that Paul once left a person sick in some city - i wonder why that is

It wasn't Paul's responsibility to heal Trophimas, it was his own responsibility to just receive the healing that God had already provided. I Peter 2:24 says it is already "a done deal." "...by whose stripes ye were healed."

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

As well, Jesus in Luke 11 shows that one needs to knock and seek and to keep knocking and to keep seeking in persistence until one is filled with the Holy Ghost.

This statment shows the traditional mindset I referred to: "just keep bombarding heaven and you'll finally wear God down."

I don't believe God is an unjust judge nor is He a lazy uncaring "friend". Who would have a friend who would treat you that way? I wouldn't. He's no friend.

That scripture doesn't say to keep knocking. It doesn't even say the man knocked at all. Neither does it say the widow kept coming to the judge. It shows that persistance in faith will always bring the answer.

[theoldpaths]

Luk 11:5 And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
Luk 11:6 For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
Luk 11:7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

I wonder what importunity means?