Greek Studies??

[El Predicador]

What's wrong with you people?

King James's English was good enough for Jesus and the Apostles, it is good enough for me !

[Pressing-On]

I'm getting this for "wear" from the Strong's.

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

The stronger meaning appears to be - "to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass".

If I remember right, you posted something from a Jewish writer or Rabbi on the passage.

"to exist" or "become" is pretty strong for that passage. Basically, it's a separation of the sexes for any way you view it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Ok, I got you:

kel·ēe H3627
masculine noun from the verb ka’ lah, generally to complete, finish, or accomplish.

A woman shall not kal’ah (wear): She shall not tale up to adorn herself with those things assigned to support, enhance,or function in those roles, duties or responsibilities of men, in their historical roles of provider and protector. Here, "clothing" caries the connotation of those things added to a man’s attire that enable him to perform his particular role in society.

The word has the following English applications, depending on its context and grammatical structure:

1) article, vessel, implement, utensil

a) article, object (general)

b) utensil, implement, apparatus, vessel

1) implement (of hunting or war)

2) implement (of music)

3) implement, tool (of labour)

4) equipment, yoke (of oxen)

5) utensils, furniture

c) vessel, receptacle (general)

d) vessels (boats) of paper-reed

from:
H.W.F. Gesenius 1847 Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament.
Also, a more curent edition is the updated 1907 B-D-B-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon

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Hope that helps.

Very interesting!!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

What's wrong with you people?

King James's English was good enough for Jesus and the Apostles, it is good enough for me !

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm getting this for "wear" from the Strong's.

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

The stronger meaning appears to be - "to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass".

If I remember right, you posted something from a Jewish writer or Rabbi on the passage.

"to exist" or "become" is pretty strong for that passage. Basically, it's a separation of the sexist for any way you view it.

Most likely I posted comments by the Jewish scholar Rashi. He is one of the most accepted authority on the Tanakh by the Jewish people - by Messianic Jews too, except when it comes to a number of Messianic scriptures.

As to using the Strong’s Concordance, re: H1961. You got on the wrong line. It is the next word down. The word used for wear is k e l- ee, H 3 6 2 7.

Not to worry – I have done the same thing! LOLOL

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

What's wrong with you people?

King James's English was good enough for Jesus and the Apostles, it is good enough for me !

And Peter, Paul and Mary have been singing it for years! LOLOL

[Praxeas]

An interesting idea. I'd have to run it past the other Admins.

How about a Word Studies area divided into sub catagories of Greek and Hebrew in the doctrinal discussion area?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Most likely I posted comments by the Jewish scholar Rashi. He is one of the most accepted authority on the Tanakh by the Jewish people - by Messianic Jews too, except when it comes to a number of Messianic scriptures.

As to using the Strong’s Concordance, re: H1961. You got on the wrong line. It is the next word down. The word used for wear is k e l- ee, H 3 6 2 7.

Not to worry – I have done the same thing! LOLOL

"Wear" is translated from hawyaw. 1961

"That which pertaineth" is translated from kelee. 3627

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

"Wear" is translated from hawyaw. 1961

"That which pertaineth" is translated from kelee. 3627

Hi lady! Nice to see you on these boards. I am just visiting for a while. Loved your comments on the other boards wh have shared from time to time.

Bacl to the issueat hand: Concerning the identification and selection of words and their translation:

Please see translation notes at:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...n/De22-52a.jpg
and compare to the lexicon definition and usage. Added note:the English word "wear" and "pertaineth to" in this passage, is the same word used to express both ideas (extended concept).

This may also be referenced on-line at:

H3627; http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H3627&t=KJV

verses

H1961; http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H1961&t=KJV

However, if anyone disagrees with my translation and comments, please publish your translations and commentaries for board review. I am sure it will provide us all with a good discussion.

Also everyone is invited to review the images (translation notes) referenced in my original post on this subject.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

An interesting idea. I'd have to run it past the other Admins.

How about a Word Studies area divided into sub catagories of Greek and Hebrew in the doctrinal discussion area?

That sounds great. One point: In working with Greek translations, it will frequently lead back to the Hebrew. However, it is still possible to keep the two subject areas separate.