When Does Life Begin?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I have always held the belief that life begins at inception, BUT the argument of the life is in the blood, which has scriptural backing and corresponds with science has A LOT of merit to it.

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But from where does the blood come?

If you cutoff the spiltting of the cells by throwing the dish in the trash.

You have cut off the motion of life that leads to the blood.

You have stopped the energy of God.

I believe that you have commited a greater sin than murder.

Because you may have caused the body and soul to perhaps.... never meet.

As to the fate of that soul their is no scripture nor theological concept.

You have however stopped the law of God started from the offspring of Adam.

You therefore may be committing the same sin as Lucifer as he put himself up as being equal to or greater than God.

I do not understand the advancement of science in wanting to expand our lifespan.

Medical science wants to increase the lifespan of humans year after year.

Yet millions are cutoff before they can breath their first breath.

A woman has the "right" to choose.

It is her body.

So she prefers her body over the body and soul of another!

That is the direct opposite of the holiday we are celebrating this weekend.

Christ gave his body for the body and souls of all mankind.

So to abort a child is the greatest act of selfishness.

As for rape and health of a woman.

I understand the pain and suffering.

That question is very hard to answer...

As for any woman who has had an abortion.

We should not outcast them.

We should reach out to them and pray for their hearts to be healed in the arms of God.

These dear ladies need the church to reach out them.

In love and understanding...

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Nina

On another thread, it has been said that life begins when the embryo produces it's own blood.

I believe life begins at conception.
You know,
when the lucky little squiggler breaks through and the "spark"
begins.

What do You think?

Nina

I would say you are right,

Conception seems to be the answer in the only Book that matters.

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch

For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.

And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived

Even Christ life was at conception.

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Conception is shown here as being inside mother.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by scotty

I would say you are right,

Conception seems to be the answer in the only Book that matters.

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch

For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.

And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived

Even Christ life was at conception.

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Conception is shown here as being inside mother.

I truely agree with your thoughts....

[Nina]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

No.
Simply because adult stem cells are the ONLY ones that show any promise of anything. There is no need to use embryonic ones.
Plus, pro-abortionist/choicers don't make a distinction of "Human=heart pumping" and "non-human(yet)=heart not pumping".

The simple fact is is that you could take a cell from inside the cheek, combine it with another cheek cell, implant it in the uterious, and it could become a baby. (A carbon copy clone of the mother, albeit with a ton of genetic problems....)

Brother,

There seems to be a disagreement with Your assessment here:

Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are generally limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin. However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.

Large numbers of embryonic stem cells can be relatively easily grown in culture, while adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues and methods for expanding their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.


So If life doesn't begin til the 12th day after conception,
what's wrong with Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

Nina

And why do they call it conception anyway?

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My information came from a Frech doctor who was at the Great Lakes Genetic Medical center in Milwaukee, WI.

Our first son was born with Fanconi Anemia a very rare recessive blood disorder.

When we went to have a second child.

We wanted to try and have a child to match his bone marrow type.

In 1993 the advancements of today were not available.

The very first selection of bone marrow typing done in a dish at the splitting of cells after conception in a lab.

For the purposes of selecting a human to not have a genetic disease and match another sibblings mone marrow type was done at Fairview University Hospital in Minn, MN.

A few years ago.

The girl that was born and matched her brothers Bone marrow as a perfect match.

Was born to save her older 3 year old brother who had Fanconi Anemia.

They then took his T-Cells from the cord blood and administered a Bone marrow transplant with the T-cells.

The richest T-cells a person will ever have in their body are the cord blood T-Cells which are trasferred at the cutting of the cord.

In hard births these cells are cut off and cause jaundice.

It takes up to 14 days for the Bone Marrow to produce enough T-cells when that happens for a baby to be secure.

That is why many jaundice births require a child to be placed in an incubator.


Our second son did not match our first son.

Our youngest son still has a 25% chance of being a Fanconi carrier of the recessive gene.

The chance of my wife and I having the same recessive genetic disorder is one in 340,000 chances of 2 people having a child.

That is increased with the fact there is only a 25% chance that each of our children would have the disease.

The person who matched my son was a 24 year old white male from the eastern timezone of the US.

He has never agreed to come forward.

We do however send him pictures and notes through the BMT registration center.

He has sent prayers and continued hopes back to our son.

My thoughts are why did such a young man take the time to donate his Bone Marrow for a child?

I personally think he was in the military or he is in prison.

In both of these cases thier bone marrow is typed when a DNA extraction is taken when entering both system.

Only 10 % of those that donate Bone Marrow refuse to have personal contact 3 years after survival of the patient.

The same French doctor told us that this man is in our genetic family bloodline according to his DNA profile.

It was a great act of kindness this man gave us and my son.

Here is my sons website.

My wife has kept it for over 4 years.

He had his transplant at Fairview University Hospital in July 2004.

Priase the Lord!

http://www.caringbridge.org/wi/johna...tadt/index.htm

Brother,

It's amazing what people will do to affirm life.
It's also amazing what people will do to deny life.

Your son sounds like a determined young man.
Your wife is equally determined I'm sure!

How old is Johnathan?

Nina

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

It's amazing what people will do to affirm life.
It's also amazing what people will do to deny life.

Your son sounds like a determined young man.
Your wife is equally determined I'm sure!

How old is Johnathan?

Nina

He will be 18 in April and will be a senior in High School.

He does not wair his hair as long.

One of the traits with his condition is that they have small heads.

In 1993 when he was diagnosed.

The average age was 7.

Bone marrow transplants with his condition were not started until 1996.

At that time 80% of the children died using non-related doners.

I praise God for the man who helped him.

He gave in the spirit of Christ.

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I praise God for the man who helped him.

He gave in the spirit of Christ.

Amen, Brother.

I hear it is painful for the donor.

God Bless him!

Nina

[A_PoMo]

life begins when you fall in love.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

life begins when you fall in love.

some may say that's when it ended

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

There seems to be a disagreement with Your assessment here:

Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are generally limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin. However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.

Large numbers of embryonic stem cells can be relatively easily grown in culture, while adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues and methods for expanding their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.


So If life doesn't begin til the 12th day after conception,
what's wrong with Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

Nina

And why do they call it conception anyway?

It is not the 12th day after conception. It is when the heart and brain begin functioning, which is a few weeks after that.

Another interesting question: If life begins AT conception (in terms of the soul and spirit being created as well) what happens when a couple of days later, the egg splits and identical twins form? Twins can be created in the lab by the way during this time.
During this time the body is being prepared, but is not yet formed. This is certainly a time period when a host for the soul and spirit is in formation but not yet ready.

And why do they call it conception anyway?

This is when the body starts forming. People would be genuinly shocked to know how many fertilized eggs in a human never result in a baby being born.