McCain vs Obama in a debate

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Rico

Do y'all think Senator McCain would stand a chance in a debate with Senator Obama? How about against Senator Clinton? I don't think McCain stands a chance against either of them. We're headed for a Democratic President to take office in 2009.

Rico, Will it really make any significant difference who is elected?

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Rico

So, you'd rather have 4 and maybe 8 years with a Clinton in office?

dont kid yourself, i dont want to see a minute of a clinton near the whitehouse, ever, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President
By John Hawkins
Friday, March 7, 2008

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

#2) Losing the War in Iraq: Obama is promising to throw away the hard earned gains our troops have made in Iraq by immediately removing combat brigades each month, regardless of the situation on the ground, and by having all of our "combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly warned Barack and, for that matter, Hillary that they could create a "chaotic situation" with their policy that could take the "gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight." Come on, Admiral, don't you know that Obama isn't going to listen to what the military has to say about a war when there's an election to be won?

#3) Gay Marriage: Although Barack Obama claims to oppose gay marriage, in 2004 he said that he opposed the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the only thing keeping the courts from imposing gay marriage on the whole country. If you want to see gay marriage become the law of the land in your state, no matter what the voters think, vote for Obama.

#4) Pro-Partial Birth Abortion: It's never a surprise to find a Democrat who's a big fan of abortion, but Obama goes above and beyond the call of duty. He had a perfect rating of 100% from NARAL in 2005, 2006, and 2007, opposes "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions," and he even opposed banning partial birth abortions. If you want to see as many women as humanly possible in this country putting their own children to death via abortion, vote Obama.

#5) Legalizing Marijuana: Obama, a former (we hope) druggie, who has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine, has said that he favors "decriminalizing marijuana." Perhaps you can't blame him for wanting to make it easier for people to get drugs since, after all, he used them and look how he turned out. If Barack gets into the White House, one day mothers all over America can tell their children that they'll never be anything in life if they use hard drugs and those children can reply, "Well, at least I can be President!"

#6) Handing 845 billion dollars of your money to other nations: Obama's Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending, over the next 13 years, 845 billion dollars more than what we already do on global poverty. Obama followed that up with a release that said in part, "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty..." If Obama actually believes that not only is the United States capable of "eliminating extreme poverty," but that we should actually make that utopian dream a "priority," then he's far too naive to be in the White House.

#7) If you think George Bush is a big spender, you haven't met Obama: Even though the United States is already running a deficit, Obama is planning to push a whole host of new big government programs including a "10-year, $150 billion program to establish a green energy sector," a "$60 billion National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," and a "nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion)." If you're all for tax and spend liberalism and watching the deficit spiral even further out of control, there's no one you should want in the White House more than Obama.

#8) Amnesty and your tax dollars for illegal aliens: Believe it or not, John McCain, the Republican who is most closely associated with catering to illegal aliens, is actually well to Barack Obama's right on the issue.

Obama favors drivers licenses for illegals, wants to give illegals welfare and Medicaid, wants to let them participate in Social Security, opposes making English our national language, and he favors a comprehensive approach to illegal immigration, AKA amnesty, that even John McCain now claims to oppose.

#9) Gun Control: Obama is a perfect example of the stereotypical, liberal gun grabber. Obama has pledged to "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons," has "opined unequivocally that D.C.'s ban was 'constitutional'," and in 1996, Obama, in a survey, "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." If you're an opponent of the 2nd Amendment, who believes law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, Obama is your man.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...e_as_president

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts simply because the cuts were not balanced out with less spending. That was his issue and he was right about that.

There is also the matter of maturity and experience. This is McCain's biggest gift to the Clinton campaign. An Obama-McCain contest would be seen as a match of inexperience against old age. Obama hopes to win this competition by invoking the spirit of John F. Kennedy. What he forgets, however, is that Kennedy was swept to power on the crest of the baby boom, when the largest group of voters was in its twenties. Today these boomers are in their sixties or seventies - and will not take kindly to the charge that Mr McCain is too old to be president. Given the high propensity to vote among the elderly, this election will not be decided by a baby boom but by a senility surge.

Voters loyal to President Bush also see in McCain a man who stood firm on the Iraq war. Voters who dislike Bush see a man who criticized the president on the conduct of that war. This is useful.

Don't count the young voters of this country out in this election. Obama is very popular with the young people. If McCain were to win the presidency (and I don't think he has a snowball's chance in you know where) he would be the oldest president ever elected.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Rico, Will it really make any significant difference who is elected?

Yes. Who is in the Whitehouse makes a big difference. The President isn't irrelevant.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

Don't count the young voters of this country out in this election. Obama is very popular with the young people. If McCain were to win the presidency (and I don't think he has a snowball's chance in you know where) he would be the oldest president ever elected.

I don't see it happening for Obama. He will have to be very careful when debating McCain. I've watched a few clips of Obama being questioned, he has no substance to his words. No deep imput, just the right answers to get out of the conversation.

I saw Bush's video endorsing McCain and what I saw was a man (McCain) being his own man, being polite, but strongly being his own man. He is a strong man in his thinking, his actions, people are going to notice this. This is what people want.

While Bush was speaking, I was watching McCain. I was very impressed with his demeanor. He was already, in his mind, President. A very confident man. He is a solid American patriot.

We shall see how it goes, but I don't think it would hurt the country to have McCain as President.

[drummerboy_dave]

It's disappointing to see that you and thousands of others won't vote, Rico, for whatever reasons you care to name. I'd rather not disrespect the countless lives that were given for me to have the right to vote.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

It's disappointing to see that you and thousands of others won't vote, Rico, for whatever reasons you care to name. I'd rather not disrespect the countless lives that were given for me to have the right to vote.

Amen! I have to agree!

[DividedThigh]

for every conservative that stays home, it is the same as a vote for the liberal, it sure seems that way, lol,dt

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The Top Nine "Changes" Barack Obama Would Make as President
By John Hawkins
Friday, March 7, 2008

#1) Weakening America's Military: Barack Obama has pledged, among other things, to make defense cuts during war time, to cut spending on national missile defense, that he won't weaponize space, to slow development of future combat systems, and to seek a "world without nuclear weapons." Is this a man who can be trusted as Commander-In-Chief?

#2) Losing the War in Iraq: Obama is promising to throw away the hard earned gains our troops have made in Iraq by immediately removing combat brigades each month, regardless of the situation on the ground, and by having all of our "combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly warned Barack and, for that matter, Hillary that they could create a "chaotic situation" with their policy that could take the "gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight." Come on, Admiral, don't you know that Obama isn't going to listen to what the military has to say about a war when there's an election to be won?

#3) Gay Marriage: Although Barack Obama claims to oppose gay marriage, in 2004 he said that he opposed the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the only thing keeping the courts from imposing gay marriage on the whole country. If you want to see gay marriage become the law of the land in your state, no matter what the voters think, vote for Obama.

#4) Pro-Partial Birth Abortion: It's never a surprise to find a Democrat who's a big fan of abortion, but Obama goes above and beyond the call of duty. He had a perfect rating of 100% from NARAL in 2005, 2006, and 2007, opposes "notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions," and he even opposed banning partial birth abortions. If you want to see as many women as humanly possible in this country putting their own children to death via abortion, vote Obama.

#5) Legalizing Marijuana: Obama, a former (we hope) druggie, who has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine, has said that he favors "decriminalizing marijuana." Perhaps you can't blame him for wanting to make it easier for people to get drugs since, after all, he used them and look how he turned out. If Barack gets into the White House, one day mothers all over America can tell their children that they'll never be anything in life if they use hard drugs and those children can reply, "Well, at least I can be President!"

#6) Handing 845 billion dollars of your money to other nations: Obama's Global Poverty Act would commit the United States to spending, over the next 13 years, 845 billion dollars more than what we already do on global poverty. Obama followed that up with a release that said in part, "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty..." If Obama actually believes that not only is the United States capable of "eliminating extreme poverty," but that we should actually make that utopian dream a "priority," then he's far too naive to be in the White House.

#7) If you think George Bush is a big spender, you haven't met Obama: Even though the United States is already running a deficit, Obama is planning to push a whole host of new big government programs including a "10-year, $150 billion program to establish a green energy sector," a "$60 billion National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," and a "nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion)." If you're all for tax and spend liberalism and watching the deficit spiral even further out of control, there's no one you should want in the White House more than Obama.

#8) Amnesty and your tax dollars for illegal aliens: Believe it or not, John McCain, the Republican who is most closely associated with catering to illegal aliens, is actually well to Barack Obama's right on the issue.

Obama favors drivers licenses for illegals, wants to give illegals welfare and Medicaid, wants to let them participate in Social Security, opposes making English our national language, and he favors a comprehensive approach to illegal immigration, AKA amnesty, that even John McCain now claims to oppose.

#9) Gun Control: Obama is a perfect example of the stereotypical, liberal gun grabber. Obama has pledged to "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons," has "opined unequivocally that D.C.'s ban was 'constitutional'," and in 1996, Obama, in a survey, "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." If you're an opponent of the 2nd Amendment, who believes law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves, Obama is your man.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...e_as_president

1) And what is so bad about a world without nuclear weapons?

2) This war has dragged on long enough. It's time for the Iraqi government to stand on its own two feet.

3) Obama is in favor of civil unions for gays but against gay marriage. You tell me why someone who has spent years of their life with a partner of their own sex should not have at least some of the same rights spouses have in this country?

4) Women are already getting abortions in this country.

5) Marijuana should have never been criminalized in the first place. It is one of the most effective pain relievers God put on this Earth.

6) Ok. So how much should we be spending to help end poverty in the world?

7) I agree with ya on this one. Repealing the tax cuts alone would mean the biggest tax increase this country has ever seen.

8) Amnesty (legalizing the current illegals in this country) sounds like a good idea to me.

9) Some guns should be banned in this country. What do you plan on hunting for with an AK47?