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Old 02-21-2008, 06:30 PM
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:44 PM
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I don't know if we all consider Acts 2:38 as a "foundation" to our religion. As an example, OUR church baptizes in Jesus name by immersion yet we don't consider ourself an "Acts 2:38 Church". In fact, we consider it a very MINOR part of the Christian life.

Does the human species center their entire existence around "cutting the umbilical cord" or the "crowning" of the head during birth? How much MORE important is college and marriage then some action that took mere seconds? The entire epistles are centered around the importance of love, selflessness, and forgiveness. Yet those are the FIRST things that are ignored in the endless quest and fight for HOLINESS STANDARDS, and the all important "Acts 2:38!!!" experience.
I am actually in agreement with you to a degree. Water baptism is, as the writer of Hebrews points out, but one of the "principles of the doctrines of Christ". While I wouldn't consider it a "minor" principle, it is, nonetheless, but one of those principles. It has been, at least in the view of the majority, the very cornerstone of the Apostolic Faith. And while that may be true, it isn't the cornerstone of the Christian Faith. Jesus stands, not only as the Cornerstone upon which His Church is built, but as the very Head of the Church of Jesus Christ. He should always be the very central mesaage of the Apostolic Movement. Not a doctrine about Him, but HE must always be our central message.

When I speak of foundation, I mean it in the sense that this is the doctrine that gives this Forum its common ground. We vary on many things, but Acts 2:38 is our common experience. I agree that its has been "pedastalized" above love, selflessness and forgiveness. I agree that those aspects of God you mentioned comprise the message we should be taking to the world. No one is saved by standards, and Acts 2:38. In my view, these are "internal messages" to establish new born Christians. Jesus and His attributes that you listed, is the saving message to the lost. That message of repentance brings sinners to the altars. Holiness standards, however we veiw them, have become "litmus" tests to determine ones spirituality. This is unfortunate. For, as we have seen time and time again, standards are raised or lowered based on who's speaking at the time. The same can be said for "doctrines". Fellowship is often based on the level of ones standards or doctrine. It should not be so. Our fellowship should be based on one thing:

Act 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

The fellowship I extend to my brother isn't necessarily based on his standards or even on his doctrine. I acknowledge a person as a brother and sister in the Lord when I percieve by their "stedfastness" (boldness) in Christ "...that they had been with Jesus". It is by their testimony they overcome, and it is by their testimony that I can tell they are in Christ. That, and that alone, tells me they are following Christ. Their label, whether it be Con or Lib, Apostolic or Pentecostal, not even Trinitarian or Oneness means nothing. It is the word of their testimony that determines that they have been with Jesus.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:53 PM
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:55 PM
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I don't know if we all consider Acts 2:38 as a "foundation" to our religion. As an example, OUR church baptizes in Jesus name by immersion yet we don't consider ourself an "Acts 2:38 Church". In fact, we consider it a very MINOR part of the Christian life.

Does the human species center their entire existence around "cutting the umbilical cord" or the "crowning" of the head during birth? How much MORE important is college and marriage then some action that took mere seconds? The entire epistles are centered around the importance of love, selflessness, and forgiveness. Yet those are the FIRST things that are ignored in the endless quest and fight for HOLINESS STANDARDS, and the all important "Acts 2:38!!!" experience.
Umm.... If the umbical cord wasn't cut or the head never appeared; there wouldn't be much point in talking about college and marriage for that baby would there? Live births and mere seconds matter!
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But I don't see human civilization celebrating those events and making it the cornerstone of society.

Also, I can point to many who I know are "saved" beyond a shadow of a doubt and yet haven't spoken in tongues. They've been baptized but after YEARS of "pleading for God to give them the holy ghost!" never uttered an unfamiliar word. Some of these have even shown various gifts of the spirit! -just not tongues.
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But I don't see human civilization celebrating those events and making it the cornerstone of society.

Also, I can point to many who I know are "saved" beyond a shadow of a doubt and yet haven't spoken in tongues. They've been baptized but after YEARS of "pleading for God to give them the holy ghost!" never uttered an unfamiliar word. Some of these have even shown various gifts of the spirit! -just not tongues.
Bro RandyWayne- I have fellowship with a brother on an almost daily basis. We meet on occasion to study and to pray. I've been around him in different situations, work, informal get togethers and church. I've never seen him speak a harsh or ugly word, never seen him say or do anything unchristian. He has a love for God and a love for people that seems almost endless. He expresses more of the fruit of the Spirit than I have ever expressed. But I've never heard him speak in tongues. And he attends a local Baptist church. And you know what? I call him Bro. Danny. Because he my brother in the Lord.
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Old 02-21-2008, 07:22 PM
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Bro RandyWayne- I have fellowship with a brother on an almost daily basis. We meet on occasion to study and to pray. I've been around him in different situations, work, informal get togethers and church. I've never seen him speak a harsh or ugly word, never seen him say or do anything unchristian. He has a love for God and a love for people that seems almost endless. He expresses more of the fruit of the Spirit than I have ever expressed. But I've never heard him speak in tongues. And he attends a local Baptist church. And you know what? I call him Bro. Danny. Because he my brother in the Lord.
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This also brings up another interesting story. This past year my wife worked a number of "blocks" at different locations as a student intern for pharmacy. One of the blocks she worked was at Madison's Hospice center. It was a hard job, but also one of the most rewarding she has done. There were Catholic nuns which were simply radiant with Gods love.
(There is also a very touching story of an older woman who was staying there with less then a week to live. Her husband visited her and they both went onto a patio that backs up to every room. A half an hour later an attendant found both of them sitting at the table outside, holding hands, and dead. She died, and he died minutes later.)
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