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Old 03-12-2007, 01:16 PM
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I have said this sooo many times!!

I think I read somewhere that Jesus said, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me..." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let's lift up JESUS, and watch HIM draw the masses...

that scripture about lifting up Jesus is about the cross not if we lift him up.
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Old 03-12-2007, 01:17 PM
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The chuch has fads too.
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Old 03-12-2007, 01:19 PM
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that scripture about lifting up Jesus is about the cross not if we lift him up.
I am aware of that...However,
Let me tell ya something...when we begin to 'lift HIM up' through praise, and we begin to magnify HIM, instead of our own agendas- HE will draw the lost.

There ARE parallels in his word.
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Old 03-12-2007, 01:19 PM
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I have said this sooo many times!!

I think I read somewhere that Jesus said, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me..." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let's lift up JESUS, and watch HIM draw the masses...
it's not that hard. Word , worship, fellowship and Prayer . really that is all most people want anyways


my father always told us, just keep it simple
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Old 03-12-2007, 01:21 PM
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I remember this guy years ago (if I said his name most of you would chuckle and say, yea, I know him...) came through like a storm and tried to instute his 12 tribe concept of cell groups and church growth.

For about a year or so we walked around like idiots asking..."Are you in the tribe of Isichar?" or "What tribe are you in, or who is your tribe leader?" I just loved seeing the horrified looks on the faces of our visitors!
what tribe am I from???? tell me, tell me.... pretty please....
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Let me say from the onset, I have tremendous respect for Rick Warren and his gifts of leadership and his demonstrative skills. But even now the whole purpose driven church program has gone by the wayside. Reading in Christianity Today last week they detailed how that it is pretty much a dead program.

So with that in mind, there will be a shift of prophetic driven organic church that very much mirror the normal church structure and functions of the Book of Acts church.

The bar on how we do church will be lowered, but the requirements of those involved will be quite high.

The current program, professional driven church that meets in special buildings will be replaced. Why? because it produces basically good church members but lacks in producing quality disciples are trained and equipped to do the ministry of Jesus will be replaced. It has to, God won't tolerate it any longer!
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Is that article on their website?

could you elaborate on what they said about warran's program being dead ?
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Old 03-12-2007, 01:28 PM
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Keith

Is that article on their website?

could you elaborate on what they said about warran's program being dead ?
Here is the article:

Painful Decline
Saddleback Church assumes Purpose Driven, scales back programs.
Brad A. Greenberg | posted 11/21/2006 08:57AM


The Purpose Driven Life remains number two on the cba hardcover bestseller list. But Purpose Driven the organization is over. Created amid the unprecedented popularity of Rick Warren's book, Purpose Driven ministries has lost its CEO, seen its staff reduced by a third, and significantly drawn back its services. No longer a separate entity, it is being overseen by the staff of Saddleback Church, where Warren is senior pastor.

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"Purpose Driven as an organization, in a sense, really doesn't exist anymore," Jon Walker, Saddleback's pastor of strategic communications, told CT.

The most notable change will be to Purpose Driven Church conferences, which have trained more than 300,000 pastors in church growth. Saddleback will still host the annual conference at the Lake Forest, California, megachurch in May. But smaller conferences will be held less frequently. In addition, there will be no more nationwide 40 Days of Purpose campaigns, Walker said, though the program will be offered to churches individually.

Saddleback considers January 2005 to be the beginning of Purpose Driven, which grew as Warren's book sold millions upon millions of copies—25 million to date.

"The success of The Purpose Driven Life and 40 Days of Purpose was a God-sent wave for which we are grateful, and we tried to be good stewards of the blessing," Walker said. "However, it was inevitable that their popularity would crest and then settle into a long-term ministry of support."

Purpose Driven carried out the first round of layoffs in July, while Warren preached in 14 countries across Africa and Asia. Saddleback leadership had hoped the cuts would be enough. Warren and his wife, Kay, even donated $2 million to cover a deficit at Purpose Driven and hopefully save a few jobs.

But a second round of layoffs couldn't be avoided. From a peak of 160 employees, Purpose Driven laid off 30 staff members while another 24 positions were eliminated through attrition.

Saddleback plans to invest more resources in Warren's newest project, his global P.E.A.C.E. plan: planting churches, equipping leaders, assisting the poor, caring for the sick, and educating the next generation. Saddleback leaders hope P.E.A.C.E. can achieve Purpose Driven levels of popularity without the bust.

"It's two very different things," Walker said. "Purpose Driven was training for church growth. … P.E.A.C.E is more of a long-term missions thrust. There is not a product or a trend or anything that is associated with it. It is a long-term thing."
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Be careful to not get caught up in "the latest thing". If you do you'll be all over the map and stability will be lost.

The church needs to stay middle of the road on a straight course not getting caught up in fads and programs and the latest "moves" of God's spirit (so called).

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I am aware of that...However,
Let me tell ya something...when we begin to 'lift HIM up' through praise, and we begin to magnify HIM, instead of our own agendas- HE will draw the lost.

There ARE parallels in his word.

Gotcha, just a misapplication of that scripture when we apply it to such.
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