Tulsa 6

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

You must remember UPC left the Tulsa 6, not the other way around. Think about all the changes that have gone on in the UPC over the last 10 - 15 years if it had happen all at one time every person at that church would leave. But because it has happen over a period of time we don't think about it.

The Bible and what God expect from us has not changed but churches have changed.

The Tulse 6 has a great following and there belief is grounded in the Bible. Over the period of time a lot of you will be eating your own words.

The UPC is not meant to be the spiritual leaders of the churches as much as organizational leaders. Each Pastor must lead his own church. Bro Haney will not answer to god about the church I attend. My pastor will answer to God regarding the church I attend. This is how it was meant to be. This is bible God chose my pastor to lead my church. Bro Haney was voted in. The resolution was voted in. Each pastor has the obligation to determined what is right for his church. He must answer to God for that.

I have spoke with many of saint that say a good percentage of the people in there church have a TV in there home. The reason is the Pastor has not felt that is was that important. AS well as other standards. The UPC has changed and it would take a blind person not to see that.

So again I say ”the UPC left us.”
Dan’D

I guess my question is, if this is true, why was one of the "Tulsa 6" willing to allow his name to stand for prominent leadership within the UPC last year.

Are you saying to me that if he had been elected, that he would still have left the UPC after res.4?

[pelathais]

Hey Dandy! Hit 'n Run is no fair! Come back and play!

[Dan'D]

This is all just my opinion:

Yes, I believe he would had left anyway. This is just my opinion.

For a number of years there has been a number of ministers that have been doing there best to keep the movement’s standards. All anyone must do is look at some of our large meeting and look around.

It is good to keep with the times but that don’t mean let down our standards. That is what has been happing. I have children and it got to the point I could not let my children mix with certain churches. We did not have that problem years ago at least not to this point.

I believe it just got to a point that a line in the sand was drawn. A man must keep to his convictions. When we just go with the flow that is the direction dead fish go.

I feel with all my heart what is being done is for the good of our church. Every person without throwing mud must come to a point and say enough is enough. I believe that is what this new movement is all about. Each and every pastor that has chosen to go with the World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship had to come to that point for there own salvation sake. I know they felt if they chose not to go with there convictions that they will answer to god for there indecisiveness.

The world if full of sissified men. We need men who are not afraid to stand up and be counted.

Dan’D

[Dan'D]

This is all just my opinion:

Yes, I believe he would had left anyway. This is just my opinion.

For a number of years there has been a number of ministers that have been doing there best to keep the movement’s standards. All anyone must do is look at some of our large meeting and look around.

It is good to keep with the times but that don’t mean let down our standards. That is what has been happing. I have children and it got to the point I could not let my children mix with certain churches. We did not have that problem years ago at least not to this point.

I believe it just got to a point that a line in the sand was drawn. A man must keep to his convictions. When we just go with the flow that is the direction dead fish go.

I feel with all my heart what is being done is for the good of our church. Every person without throwing mud must come to a point and say enough is enough. I believe that is what this new movement is all about. Each and every pastor that has chosen to go with the World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship had to come to that point for there own salvation sake. I know they felt if they chose not to go with there convictions that they will answer to god for there indecisiveness.

The world if full of sissified men. We need men who are not afraid to stand up and be counted.

Dan’D

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

You must remember UPC left the Tulsa 6, not the other way around. Think about all the changes that have gone on in the UPC over the last 10 - 15 years if it had happen all at one time every person at that church would leave. But because it has happen over a period of time we don't think about it.

The Bible and what God expect from us has not changed but churches have changed.

The Tulse 6 has a great following and there belief is grounded in the Bible. Over the period of time a lot of you will be eating your own words.

The UPC is not meant to be the spiritual leaders of the churches as much as organizational leaders. Each Pastor must lead his own church. Bro Haney will not answer to god about the church I attend. My pastor will answer to God regarding the church I attend. This is how it was meant to be. This is bible God chose my pastor to lead my church. Bro Haney was voted in. The resolution was voted in. Each pastor has the obligation to determined what is right for his church. He must answer to God for that.

I have spoke with many of saint that say a good percentage of the people in there church have a TV in there home. The reason is the Pastor has not felt that is was that important. AS well as other standards. The UPC has changed and it would take a blind person not to see that.

So again I say ”the UPC left us.”

Dan’D

I agree

[grace_seeker]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

You must remember UPC left the Tulsa 6, not the other way around. Think about all the changes that have gone on in the UPC over the last 10 - 15 years if it had happen all at one time every person at that church would leave. But because it has happen over a period of time we don't think about it.

The Bible and what God expect from us has not changed but churches have changed.

The Tulse 6 has a great following and there belief is grounded in the Bible. Over the period of time a lot of you will be eating your own words.

The UPC is not meant to be the spiritual leaders of the churches as much as organizational leaders. Each Pastor must lead his own church. Bro Haney will not answer to god about the church I attend. My pastor will answer to God regarding the church I attend. This is how it was meant to be. This is bible God chose my pastor to lead my church. Bro Haney was voted in. The resolution was voted in. Each pastor has the obligation to determined what is right for his church. He must answer to God for that.

I have spoke with many of saint that say a good percentage of the people in there church have a TV in there home. The reason is the Pastor has not felt that is was that important. AS well as other standards. The UPC has changed and it would take a blind person not to see that.

So again I say ”the UPC left us.”

Dan’D

I would only agree with your statement if the following happened: The UPC disaffiliated itself with the Tulsa 6 by requesting back their licences. Did that happen? If not, then I disagree.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

This is all just my opinion:

Yes, I believe he would had left anyway. This is just my opinion.

For a number of years there has been a number of ministers that have been doing there best to keep the movement’s standards. All anyone must do is look at some of our large meeting and look around.

It is good to keep with the times but that don’t mean let down our standards. That is what has been happing. I have children and it got to the point I could not let my children mix with certain churches. We did not have that problem years ago at least not to this point.

I believe it just got to a point that a line in the sand was drawn. A man must keep to his convictions. When we just go with the flow that is the direction dead fish go.

I feel with all my heart what is being done is for the good of our church. Every person without throwing mud must come to a point and say enough is enough. I believe that is what this new movement is all about. Each and every pastor that has chosen to go with the World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship had to come to that point for there own salvation sake. I know they felt if they chose not to go with there convictions that they will answer to god for there indecisiveness.

The world if full of sissified men. We need men who are not afraid to stand up and be counted.

Dan’D

My heart really does leap when you call for "men who are not afraid to stand up and be counted." But what do you think about those men who we've left behind with all of the changes to the UPC that I mentioned earlier?

From where I stand, the "changes" have all been instigated by those who have called themselves "conservative." They are the ones who have been forcing men out for years - all in the name of "Progress." Now, when the org, for the first time really, stands up against the changes they all cry "foul" and want to leave.

Why couldn't we have kept the original Articles of Faith and Fundamental Doctrine that we had at the time of the merger? Why do you support such massive change in the org?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Why couldn't we have kept the original Articles of Faith and Fundamental Doctrine that we had at the time of the merger? Why do you support such massive change in the org?

You are correct that the nearly all of the "changes" since the original AOF in 1945 have been pushed by the conservatives. The UPCI changed into a more conservative organization over the years.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

This is all just my opinion:

Yes, I believe he would had left anyway. This is just my opinion.

For a number of years there has been a number of ministers that have been doing there best to keep the movement’s standards. All anyone must do is look at some of our large meeting and look around.

It is good to keep with the times but that don’t mean let down our standards. That is what has been happing. I have children and it got to the point I could not let my children mix with certain churches. We did not have that problem years ago at least not to this point.

I believe it just got to a point that a line in the sand was drawn. A man must keep to his convictions. When we just go with the flow that is the direction dead fish go.

I feel with all my heart what is being done is for the good of our church. Every person without throwing mud must come to a point and say enough is enough. I believe that is what this new movement is all about. Each and every pastor that has chosen to go with the World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship had to come to that point for there own salvation sake. I know they felt if they chose not to go with there convictions that they will answer to god for there indecisiveness.

The world if full of sissified men. We need men who are not afraid to stand up and be counted.

Dan’D

That is all that it is, your opinion.

My opinion, is different.

[SavedLou]

Is anyone else sick and tired of having (some) of the Tulsa crowd act like everyone else in the UPC is just some anything-goes, throw out all the standards, worldly bunch of sinners who look just like Hollywood and are barely on the other side of hell?! Give me a break. If you disagree about the TV deal, yes, you have every right to leave, but stop making everyone else feel like we have all just gone completely Charismatic and will be sitting with the pink haired lady on TBN tomorrow!!! Last time I checked the UPC was still Pentecostal and therefore considered very conservative next to mainstream Christianity. Oh and as I said on another thread, we have evolved over the years. We ALL look and think a lot differently than our founding fathers, right? So the UPC didn't leave anyone. It has (like any other faith) made gradual changes over time. That's called progress!